Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/École Mgr-Marcel-François-Richard


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep (of the narrow variety). Daniel (talk) 01:17, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

École Mgr-Marcel-François-Richard

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I PROD'ed the article, but this was rejected with the reason "deprod; most western secondary schools pass WP:GNG". I disagree with this outcome, so I'm bringing it to AfD. I did not find suitable sources in a WP:BEFORE search to satisfy GNG, and WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES states that secondary schools are not presumed to be notable. Z1720 (talk) 15:40, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:42, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:42, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New Brunswick-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:42, 14 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep. I added some references. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 18:52, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for adding those references, . I reviewed the new source additions from this version: and added thoughts below about if the sources can be counted towards the WP:GNG requirements for a topic to be a standalone article.
 * Ref 1: Ref 1 is the official website. Doesn't count towards WP:GNG
 * Ref 2: Talks about the school in major detail, so counts as a source towards GNG
 * Ref 3: Schools is mentioned in passing as one of 20 schools getting money for renovations. Doesn't count towards GNG
 * Ref 4: This is a piece about two guests who are going to attend a fundraiser for scholarships that are given by the school. It might count towards GNG
 * Ref 5: The Biographi article does not mention the school. I think its inclusion would be WP:OR that the school is named after this same person, although it is highly probable that it was named after this individual. I removed the sentence and the source from the article because of WP:OR concerns.
 * With one source fulfilling GNG, and one perhaps fulfilling the requirements, I still do not think the school has enough independent covereage to warrant its own article. Z1720 (talk) 19:05, 14 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment. How pleasant to read a civil debate. This one is a challenge, the school is tiny and one would not expect a lot of online coverage but all of NB seems to be a challenge. Our (WP) coverage seems underdeveloped and it is articles like this we need to boost that. I am marginally in favour of retain- but this is weighted by personal philosophy. OK- why? We`haven't found the documents that accountants must have published and retained relating to building,and paying the teachers. That is always the logic that generates 'most western secondary schools pass WP:GNG'. I will be interested to see further discoveries- what the kids are taught and what the results are. ClemRutter (talk) 12:59, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Francophone Sud School District per ATD. Since there aren't enough sources to justify this article and I'd really like to see the various stubby school district articles out there get more attention. There's zero reason they can't contain information about the schools that are in their districts. A lot of them aren't even up to the level of basic lists though. --Adamant1 (talk) 10:31, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep There is clearly still more to do here and so policy WP:ATD applies, "If editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page.".  For example, the page does not yet explain who the school is named after.  That's Marcel-François Richard who is certainly notable but for whom we don't have an article yet.  I'm going to make a start on that now.  Andrew🐉(talk) 10:55, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Enough sources to satisfy WP:GNG, as with pretty much any other secondary school in the western world. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:30, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Short article, and not a lot of sources, but enough that I feel we can have an article, agreeing with the editors above. /Julle (talk) 17:38, 21 July 2021 (UTC)


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