Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Élie Dupuis


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus.  MBisanz  talk 04:46, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Élie Dupuis

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May fail WP:GNG. Nominating on behalf of a user via OTRS. -- SarahStierch (talk) 22:49, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
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 * Comment - added a Peacock tag. Not clear on AfD criteria for actors so no other comment. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:27, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 00:05, 13 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. Fails WP:NACTOR. Cloudz 679 13:37, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. Sense of "peacock" is easy enough to address through regular editing and we may make use of both the article's provided external links and other available sources to expand and improve this article. While the one 2008 film Maman est chez le coiffeur might otherwise have him fail WP:ENT if it were the sole event for which he recieved coverage, we are allowed to look uphill to WP:GNG and see that this youngster HAS been receiving coverage in multiple reliable sources for more than just that one thing. WP:N is met, but the thing does need additional attention.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 10:05, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note to closer The above relisting appears to have failed leaving this discussion untranscluded. I am relisting it now. Monty  845  16:06, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Weak keep - he's well-known within Quebec, just not beyond that. He's as well known as a singer as an actor; a major Quebec film and a TV series role should give him notability within the context of Quebec culture, I believe. He isn't known to anglophones in Canada though, that's for sure. He's recorded songs for three film soundtracks and performs in concerts in Quebec quite regularly, and on tv. Maybe it's a matter of WP:TOOSOON. He's promising, and in 5 or so years he'll probably have enough performances, record sales, film roles etc. OttawaAC (talk) 23:46, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails notability guidelines both as an actor and as a musician - in fact his article states he only had his first full musical performance in Dec 2012. Also, association with other notable people is an invalid criteria for notability. -- phazakerley  (talk) 04:02, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but even though he is young and French-Canadian, the breadth and coverage for his young life and career exceeds the requisites set by WP:GNG. The SNG's WP:ACTOR and WP:MUSICIAN do not trump or overrule someone having coverage that already easily meets the GNG for multiple aspects of his life.
 * and MANY more.
 * The GNG is well met. What we do now is use all that is available and allow the article to be expanded and sourced over time and through regular editing.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 09:50, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The guidelines in WP:NMG are there for good reasons and those criteria are not met at this time. The coverage on this young chap is evidence of how unnotable he is, both as a musician and as an actor. -- Phazakerley  (talk) 11:19, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Yes... the SNGs are set to supplement the GNG... for good reason... but they do not supplant it . If the GNG is demonstrated as being soundly met (and it is), then we need not decide he fails an SNG.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 22:43, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep and improve per MichaelQSchmidt. There's sufficient coverage from secondary WP:RS per WP:GNG. If he were only an actor OR a musician, he might not quite make it, but between the two he makes it over the bar. Altered Walter (talk) 09:28, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. That cant be right. If your a bad actor you dont make it in - but if your a bad actor AND a bad musician you do make it? We need to be alert to the fact showbiz creates publicity and follow the guidlines already established for entertainers. Maybe in the future he will meet these criteria but remember, WP:NOTCRYSTALBALL. -- Phazakerley  (talk) 10:45, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
 * No, he's not a "bad actor and a bad musician", he's got borderline notability in both, with sufficient coverage from reliable secondary sources. I agree that we should watch out for astroturfing in the references, but that doesn't appear to be a problem here. Altered Walter (talk) 11:43, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
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