Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Émile Moreau (writer)


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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 13:52, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Émile Moreau (writer)

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Italian Wikipedia it: Émile Moreau lists this playwright and screenwriter as author of:
 * Madame Sans-Gêne: According to the Bibliothèque nationale (BF) premiered 1893, co-author - filmed 1909, novelized 1894-95
 * L'évasion de Mr de La Valette (1909) (This is about Antoine Marie Chamans, comte de Lavalette) According to the BF: "film script based on Moreau's work" - which is Madame de Lavalette, premiered 1899. This page says he wrote the scenario.
 * Cléopatre BF: 1890, co-author

We correctly list these among the works of Émile Moreau (playwright), as does the corresponding fr: Émile Moreau (auteur). His years are 1852–1922, which also fit the dates of the works far better than 1877–1959. Moreover, Émile Moreau (politician) has exactly the life dates given in the Italian article for the putative dramatist and screenwriter: 20 June 1877 – 28 January 1959. The indisputably real playwright was born and died in Yonne. The indisputably real politician was born and died in Quebec. The Italian article on the putative dramatist and screenwriter follows IMDb in having him born in Yonne and deceased in Quebec. I cannot find the second writer anywhere in the BF and conclude that he is an IMDb chimera, probably based on confusion with the politician. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:37, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:51, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:51, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:51, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:01, 30 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete: I concur completely with . I was the editor who "gutted" Émile Moreau (writer) when pointed me to the article he has recently created titled Émile Moreau (playwright). There is very little doubt that the Émile Moreau who collaborated with Victorien Sardou in 1890 to write Cléopâtre was not 13 years old at the time. One of the problems of IMDb is the inability of its contributors to distinguish between individuals with the same name when adding works attributed to them. What's left of our Émile Moreau (writer) article has nothing to indicate notability, or even whether a writer with those dates and name actually existed. --RexxS (talk) 22:50, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete: Looks to me like two people are combined here, based on poor sources.  I don't think the person existed.   Montanabw (talk)  03:14, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete: Correct analysis. --Dereckson (talk) 11:56, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * was right, given that it has point by point agreement with what is being asserted is correct here. It's a shame that editors didn't go back to it, rather than starting a new article.  All this duplication because  got some dates wrong.  A simple redirect would solve the duplication, quickly and smoothly.  Uncle G (talk) 12:17, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: Sad - if that original version had only given his birth and death dates. I see that the French article was already in existence then - started in 2011 - but there was an article on a financier at the simple title in French. I didn't attempt to trace the history on Wikidata to see whether looking there at the time of that edit would have helped identify the correct dates and the existence of a lot of French material on the playwright. This should probably become a redirect in that case, or would you advocate swapping the disambiguators, moving the "playwright" article to "writer"? Yngvadottir (talk) 13:12, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I merely lean towards the simplest solution, enactable with just the edit tool. It's worth finding out what LouisAlain's opinion on the disambiguators is.  Uncle G (talk) 13:19, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Looking back through the revision history of this article shows that the original editor, gave the wrong dates of birth and death on the day he created the article (18 February 2008) and immediately after, rejected them. The wrong dates were re-applied by  in January 2012. Various categories were added and deleted, as was persondata, and the article title was altered to make room for a dab page. Throughout the last five years, the article has remained completely unreferenced and consistently incorrect in the dates of birth and death, as well as the consequent categorisation. It also languished at a misleading title as Émile Moreau was a playwright, not a writer as we would usually understand the word. It's no surprise that LouisAlain didn't spot this compendium of errors when he translated and created Émile Moreau (playwright). So,, could you tell us exactly what parts of this article or its history are worth preserving? --RexxS (talk) 15:11, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete: I haven't the slightest understanding of why the deletion of the article Émile Moreau (writer) seems to still be an issue. Not only are his dates erroneous but even the categories are wrong. He wasn't a French screenwriter, a male screenwriter, a French male writer, just nobody seems to know who that person may have been. Apparently, some editor mistook him for a Canadian politician after the Italian article. What a mess! LouisAlain (talk) 15:18, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as he had a few several works but still nothing to suggest this can be improved to a substantially better article and likely never will considering the circumstances. SwisterTwister   talk  07:18, 6 June 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.