Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Óscar del Rosario


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Delete; lack of established notability wounds the article, but the absence of reliable sources is fatal. &mdash; Coren (talk) 01:17, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Óscar del Rosario

 * ( [ delete] ) – (View AfD) (View log)

PROD contested without explanation given. I have not been able to locate any evidence that he meets WP:ENTERTAINER (there would be at least a few sources if he has "had significant roles in multiple notable films, television, stage performances, and other productions", "a large fan base or a significant "cult" following" or "made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment") or the primary criteria at WP:N in that there are not enough reliable sources to write a fair and balanced article on him with verifiable information. I am open to having my mind changed on this article, particularly as there is a potential for a language/resource barrier. As it stands, however, it does not appear to meet the WP:N standard (non-trivial coverage in multiple, reliable, third party sources) and nothing aside from a list of his films can be verified about him.

I do realize that Google searching turns up results, but few of them actually relate to this individual. Cheers, CP 00:33, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep IMDB has several movies with him. We66er (talk) 02:36, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions.   — bluemask  (talk) 04:31, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. IMDB is not a reliable source.  Where is the non-trivial coverage from reliable publications?  Oh, there isn't any? JBsupreme (talk) 05:13, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: There isn't any? Have you searched? Hits in Google doesnt prove article's notability nor it proves that it met the criteria for entertainment. Try considering books and archives cause we are talking about pre-dated information here. Axxand (talk) 05:38, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and actresses-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 08:44, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 08:44, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 08:45, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete: The article gives us no reason to know this individual.  It says that the man is a director and actor.  Ok, and so why is that important?  What is unique?  What is trend setting?  What is popular?  This is merely an excuse to list the movies.  Utgard Loki (talk) 14:25, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment it is to be hoped that in some archive somewhere is something about this Filipino actor who began his career during the Japanese occupation of the Phillipines during World war II and managed to be part of Phillipine resurgence in film after the war. The search may be difficult, but possible. It was a difficult time, to be sure... So its time to do some deep digging.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 18:51, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Temp keep  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 15:56, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * And I have myself begun digging to source and expand the article. Luckily WikiPilipinas has information and source links that might serve here as well. I'll do what I can.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 19:37, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Needs Further Developing The director/actor has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to the field of entertainment. He is one of the not-so-many directors who are the pillars of the movie industry way back World War II in the Philippines, and as weighing things, he deserves a page in Wikipedia. This is history we are talking and deleting this will just make Wiki what is not. Axxand (talk) 05:38, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep The page had undergone a makeover. Thanks to Schmidt, MICHAEL Q.. Axxand (talk) 05:45, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment This isn't a beauty contest, it's a Wikipedia article. While I appreciate Michael Q. Schmidt's determined efforts, this "makeover" has not really addressed my stated reasons for deletion. The sole reference is a blog, which is not a reliable source. Of the external links, the first two are IMDB, which is not reliable, the last three do not mention him but discuss Philippine cinema and of those, the fourth one is a blog! If anything, these sources should be used on Cinema of the Philippines, but they do nothing to prove that this individual has had non-trivial mentions in reliable publications or that a full and neutral biography could be written about him. At best, I would concede that perhaps this should be redirected to Cinema of the Philippines, with no prejudice for reversal if sources are found. You argue that "The director/actor has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to the field of entertainment. He is one of the not-so-many directors who are the pillars of the movie industry way back World War II in the Philippines", but I have yet to see that that's anything more than an opinion, rather than a fact stated in multiple reliable sources. Cheers, CP 13:07, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I surely grant I am having problems with sourcing and need expert help in the the subject area. Sadly, many Fillipino films and Fillipino newspaper archives were destroyed out of hand by Japanese occupation forces during the war, and those that survived were only because they existed as copies outside the Phillipines. Much was lost. I am hoping that someone with a greater understanding of Tagalog sources may come forward with post-WWII references, as I am reaching my own limits. Any help would be appreciated.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 19:10, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Further, I have just left a message on WikiPilipinas to the the author of a similar article there. She may have access to informations I do not.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 06:38, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.