Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Şemsiruhsar Hatun


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Murad III. Spartaz Humbug! 09:21, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Şemsiruhsar Hatun

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The subject doesn't appear to be notable on her own. The article's creator who has worked on various articles related to the Ottoman dynasty personally asked me to put it up for deletion. Sources do not contain any information about her background whatsoever, and the only thing known about her is that she had a daughter with the sultan. Based on its current status it doesn't meet the criteria we have for establishing notability (notability is not inherited or passed on to individuals by their relatives). The page can either be deleted or redirected to the article about her husband. Keivan.f Talk 05:40, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  10:12, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  10:12, 20 November 2020 (UTC)


 * keep I see this article as an example of what Wikipedia does best, bring to light interesting historical figures and offer stub pages that others can then improve and dive into future research. I appreciate that work was initially done to surface the two books here by Leslie Pierce and M. Çağatay Uluçay that describe this person, perhaps there are more! I'd like to see more effort to surface more sources -- perhaps this is of interest to more Turkish-language editors -- rather than deletion / subsumption into the article about her husband. I'm not sure of what relevance the conversation that Keivan.f reports having with the article's initial creator has to this AfD. Shameran81 (talk) 21:58, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment I doubt there is more information to add. Like many of her fellow Ottoman family female members, this one is probably but a name on a waqf deed, the one cited in the article.--Phso2 (talk) 09:04, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment I suspect Phso2 is likely to be right. I have just voted on another AFD for another Hatun lady.  I suspect that members of the harem of successive sultans will be relatively obscure and only known from passing references, such as this.  I wonder if the answer is to have a series of articles on the harem of, into which such articles may be merged.  This would avoid articles on sultans becoming overloaded with genealogical detail.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:16, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   18:31, 28 November 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 01:30, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Murad III. Not enough notability for a standalone article. Onel 5969  TT me 17:17, 13 December 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.