Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/義安


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. The key argument is 's observation that WikiProject Disambiguation/CJKV task force addresses exactly this issue. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:53, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

義安

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Not an English title. A previous attempt to redirect to the pinyin Yian was reverted. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 04:10, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 04:26, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 04:26, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
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 * redirect, i.e. restore to previous redirect; it’s not a perfect match to all the uses listed but WP is not a Chinese dictionary. More generally en.wp is in English, articles including dab pages are in English with English titles. Foreign words and titles should only exist as redirects to the article/dab page that matches the name/title, or deleted if none exists.-- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 04:44, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * This topic merits a wider discussion, i.e. there should not be different WP:UE findings for 義安 versus 東區 simply because, in the latter case, for example, there are non-East Asian subjects at Eastern District (disambiguation) where, per WP:FORRED, pointing 東區 at them would be inappropriate. Caradhras Aiguo ( leave language ) 04:53, 17 August 2018 (UTC)


 * (I copied this from Talk: 義安. It's a case of WP:IAR and WP:COMMONSENSE, the thing with Chinese character is that there is no definite pronunciations to them. Additionally, although some people may have a preference towards Hanyu Pinyin and Mandarin Chinese, most of the articles that are about concepts represented by the characters "義安", (i.e. Ngee Ann Secondary School, Sun Yee On) are not spelled "Yi An", therefore I believe this DAB page should stay.--Prisencolin (talk) 05:14, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The problem that is true for pretty much all Chinese chars. There are different Chinese varieties like Mandarin, Cantonese. There are different Romanisations for each. Many Chinese chars also have one or more Kanji readings in Japanese, or were used as Hanja in Korean. So Chinese chars can be associated with multiple names used in English.
 * But WP is not the place for people to look up all the Chinese, Japanese and Korean uses of a character. That would be using WP as a dictionary, for which we have Wiktionary. Or if someone wants to find uses of a character or characters on Wikipedia they can use the fast and effective search engine.-- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 05:53, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep per per the discussion on the talk page. I can see where those advocating for deletion are coming from, but this is an issue that affects over a hundred dab pages and had better be discussed in a larger venue. Also noting that redirecting is not an option (see WP:XY): there isn't much to recommend the proposed target of Yian over any of the alternatives. – Uanfala (talk) 10:28, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. There's no romanized title that will give the same disambiguation scope as this title. I understand the drive for WP:UE and would too have preferred a Latin-alphabet title, but I think the applicability of WP:UE on disambiguation pages should be considered on a case by case basis, especially where Romanization introduces additional ambiguity. I also thought about the other plausible outcome: if we redirect this, and then the redirect gets sent to WP:RfD (or worse, DRV), I will most likely argue to disambiguate this title, as I have argued for several other Chinese character titles. Deryck C. 14:55, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Ping who changed the disambiguation into a redirect earlier this month. Deryck C. 14:55, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep and split out Ngee Ann (disambiguation). 203.145.95.51 (talk) 13:27, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   08:15, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. If everyone cannot agree with a solution the best one is to not have this page at all. Its highly unlikely anyone would search this term anyways. By deleting it also maintains neutrality towards all the different pronunciations. ~  Araratic  &#124; talk  09:58, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per Deryck Chan. Merging this into the pinyin page would introduce amgiguity and impede navigation Patar knight - chat/contributions 07:01, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. Wikipedia disambiguation pages are not articles, so the claim that "articles including disambiguation pages" is incorrect. There is a taskforce for just this kind of navigational page: WikiProject Disambiguation/CJKV task force. There are multiple articles that could legitimately be the target of 義安, so lacking a primary target, 義安 is correctly a disambiguation page. -- JHunterJ (talk) 13:52, 27 August 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.