Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/.315 UF Round


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The result was   Delete. Admrboltz (talk) 17:28, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

.315 UF Round

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Contested PROD. Apparently fails WP:GNG, can't find any third party sources and doesn't indicate how it is notable.  Falcon8765  (T ALK ) 02:55, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
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 * Delete: given that all referencing is by the manufacturer, Urban Firearms, and that the whole things sounds like an advertisement, I'm not inclined to believe that there is notability (yet). The pen-drawn diagram was worth a few yuks, though.  bahamut0013  words deeds 23:20, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

A link to the Urban Firearms News Page will show you the majority of the information. Other information has been acquired by talking to my fellow designer, as I am the CEO & Founder of UFWD. A lot of the information regarding this round has not been decided. Please reply ASAP and notify me of you doing so. Also, around 5-10 minutes after this post, an updated version of the drawing will be uploaded and inserted. This is not an advertisement, as we are not planning to have the round manufactured, though a good friend of mine is making a prototype. This is only a concept round, once the prototype is made, a picture of it will be added to the article. LiamMCSHERRY (talk) 15:32, 17 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Redirect to List of rifle cartridges. No secondary sources, and also appears that it violates WP:CRYSTAL. No bias against recreation later if the round becomes notable. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:02, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

This round will exist, though it may not be in use. Dates are currently confirmed, as stage 1 ends January 31st 2011. Already, a prototype is being made. The round is not in the List of rifle cartridges because the project to design it was started on the 5th of December 2010, once it's design is officially completed and if the article is not deleted, I will put it on the list with a reference beside it saying who it was added in by, why it was added and when. LiamMCSHERRY (talk) 14:55, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

@Bahamut0013: It is not an advertisement because we are not the manufacturer. At the moment, there is no manufacturer. Only an outside source, one of my friends, making a prototype cross-section. We are only the designer.
 * Being the designer is still a conflict of interest though, unfortunatly. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:25, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

I am trying my best not to be biased in favour of my conceptual round. In the case of conflict of interest, I'm trying to be unbiased which I think I have succeeded in. It is quite reliably sourced, with a link to the Urban Firearms Website. Other information was gathered by talking to another official designer working at Urban Firearms, which wont be on the site. I don't think I'm promoting my design as it isn't for sale officially. LiamMCSHERRY (talk) 11:05, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - no to redirect Not only bullets can be for sale. Ideas, theologies and charities can be promoted, too. This looks to be promoting a not yet manufactured bullet not yet made by a company whose article here has been deleted for being spam - or indeed by anyone else. Fails WP:CRYSTAL and WP:SPAM. I'm not going to mention WP:COI. Yes, I am. WP:COI. "The private design company that designed rounds has stated that if any firearm or ammunition manufacturers wish to manufacture them, that manufacturing company will have to pay a fee for manufacturing rights but the chance is open to anyone." In other words, "Come on guys, get in first". WP:SPAM. You can't use your own website as a reference to establish notability - see WP:RS. As to WP:CRYSTAL, "the project to design it was started on the 5th of December 2010" - it's only a fortnight into the design stage. I didn't manage to see the diagram, as it seems to have gone, so I can't comment on that. Peridon (talk) 14:11, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * From http://www.urbanfirearms-weaponsdesigners.moonfruit.com/ "Urban Firearms was founded on the 8th of November, 2010. Since then we have been brainstorming and sketching to design some good urban weapons. We don't expect our designs to be manufactured, but if you'd like to make a scale model, please contact us using the "Contact" page." To me, that says a lot. Peridon (talk) 14:15, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

The Company Urban Firearms may have been founded on the 8th of November. But designers from a larger parent company have been designing for a few years. As for the project to design it, that was for the weapon designed to fire it. We have ideas like this for some months before. As for the picture, It exists, but the file itself is too large, and we have greater things to worry about than getting a picture the right size. Since it is only a concept at the moment, no other websites have been given mention of it. Once the model a friend is making arrives, we will take it to a manufacturer. The designs up for sale are not for the rounds, but for the weaponry. Although the site shows 3 or 4 weapons, there must be about 20-35 more stored in a cabinet somewhere. LiamMCSHERRY (talk) 17:07, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I don't think you are getting the point(s). As this is a 'concept' with no outside coverage, it fails WP:GNG and WP:RS. As it is a concept that hasn't yet got off the ground (left the muzzle?), it fails WP:CRYSTAL. As you are part of the project, you need to look at WP:COI. Sorry about the alphabet soup, but you'll find the policies clear enough when you look at them. As to the 'parent company', sorry again, but I'm not so sure. To me, Urban Firearms looks like a couple of engineering students or recent graduates hoping to get taken on by someone bigger and better financed. This view of mine is supported by the location of the company website being at moonfruit.com. I quote: "Moonfruit offers a free website builder that creates beautiful websites simply with no ads and no catches. It's so easy, be up and running in 10 minutes." And they provide domains with the Premium Pack. Don't think I'm trying to do you down. While I disagree with firearms in general as a principle, that doesn't come into my concerns here. (I can't stand rap, but saved an article about a rapper because I could see he was actually notable.) You are being enterprising, and good luck. But, it's way too soon for a Wikipedia article. You can go to AboutUs and LinkedIn and get free space there with no worries about notability etc. They probably don't have the cachet of being on Wikipedia, but that's life. Peridon (talk) 17:38, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

In that case, I'm storing a copy of the coding and text on my page. Feel free to delete the article. LiamMCSHERRY (talk) 20:04, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
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