Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1000 White Flags


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Merge all to Marco Casagrande. Kei lana (recall) 22:27, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

1000 White Flags

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Non-Notable work of art; lists a prize of dubious (at best) importance. Legionarius (talk) 17:05, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related pages for similar non-notability reasons, in what looks like an astroturfing campaign around Marco Casagrande:


 * (2nd Nom)
 * Treasure Hill is a neighborhood in Taiwan. Although it could merit its own article, right now is just an advertising for Casagrande. My vote is to stubbify.
 * The largest media coverage, accordign to the references, was two small articles in Architectural Review. It did not win any prizes. My vote is to merge with Marco Casagrande.
 * Zero mentions. My vote is to merge with Marco Casagrande.
 * Small media coverage. Maybe a mention in the Anchorage article and/or merge with Marco Casagrande.
 * Its biggest claim to fame is that one of NYT staff liked it. Please note the article is about the art event as a whole, not about the piece of art properly. Did not win any prizes.
 * (former discussion)
 * small company, non-notable output. My vote is to merge with Marco Casagrande.
 * Zero mentions. My vote is to merge with Marco Casagrande.
 * Its biggest claim to fame is that one of NYT staff liked it. Please note the article is about the art event as a whole, not about the piece of art properly. Did not win any prizes.
 * (former discussion)
 * small company, non-notable output. My vote is to merge with Marco Casagrande.
 * Zero mentions. My vote is to merge with Marco Casagrande.
 * Zero mentions. My vote is to merge with Marco Casagrande.

The editors for those articles are all working on Marco Casagrande and non-notable articles related to him; they usually include links in other legimate articles. The article was previously identified as the center of an astroturfing campaign and stubbified. Other articles, all about non-notable architectural works: Treasure Hill, Land(e)scape, Bird Hangar, Redrum (installation), 60 Minute Man (architecture), 1000 White Flags. As a bonus, Casagrande's first company: Casagrande & Rintala.

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Former related deletion discussions: Articles for deletion/Human (newspaper), Articles for deletion/Micro urbanism, Articles for deletion/Treasure Hill, Articles for deletion/Casagrande & Rintala, Articles for deletion/Future pavillion, Articles for deletion/Sami Rintala. --Legionarius (talk) 15:30, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


 * While annoying, editing with a conflict of interest is not a reason by itself to delete articles. If the subject's notable we'll keep an article written by Lucifer himself and simply fix it. Some of these articles already demonstrated notability by their references, some are not apparently notable and some can quickly be found to be notable with a quick Google News archive search. Here's my two cents worth:
 * Keep Treasure Hill -- see the existing article references
 * Keep Land(e)scape -- see the existing article references
 * Delete Bird Hangar -- nothing found with Google News archive search searching for "Bird hangar" + yokohama or "Bird hangar" + Casagrande
 * Keep Redrum -- I added two references based on a quick Google News search
 * Keep 60 Minute Man (architecture) -- see the existing article references
 * Merge into other articles: Casagrande & Rintala -- Google News archive search turned up 10 references but in most cases they also referred more directly to the architect or his work
 * Merge into the architect's article: Potemkin (architecture) -- A Google News archive search for Potemkin + Kuramata turned up one possibly useful reference; I am unable to evaluate its reliability.
 * Keep Marco Casagrande -- Google News archive search turns up >50 press mentions.
 * Delete 1000 White Flags -- nothing found with Google News
 * While I disagree with some of these nominations, I very much appreciate Legionarius riding herd on this spam problem. -- A. B. (talk) 20:10, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Finland-related deletions.  -- A. B. (talk) 20:11, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Finland-related deletions.  -- A. B. (talk) 20:11, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletions.  -- A. B. (talk) 20:12, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletions.  -- A. B. (talk) 20:12, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Comment Casagrande is notable and not up for deletion (even if not for being an artist, as a mercenary/writer). As for the other articles, I do not think any of them stand for themselves (even with credible references), the mentions in the author's article look good enough to me. Treasure Hill is a special case; I think it merits an article for itself, just not as a promotional article for Casagrande's work; the way it is now it is just a promotional article. Anyway, all those articles are here to be discussed. --Legionarius (talk) 21:10, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment the way to deal with this is to propose a merge, and, if resisted, pursue dispute resolution. DGG (talk) 08:40, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Pastordavid (talk) 10:36, 23 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge – into Marco Casagrande.  Shoessss |  Chat  12:22, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge all into Marco Casagrande. Although some of the photography is excellent, this content is much more illuminating as part of a larger article on the creator, rather than a half dozen two paragraph stubs. -- Nick Penguin ( contribs ) 16:43, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom. Modernist (talk) 14:07, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep all or merge to artist. We have few enough articles on land/installation art & I've no doubt plenty more references for these could be found for these offline, and not necessarily in English. Words fail me on the crassness of using "no hits on Google news" as a deletion argument here!  If you want articles to delete there are hundreds with fewer than 20 words in Category:Painting stubs.  Johnbod (talk) 17:44, 29 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.