Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1001 Ways to Beat the Draft


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The result was Keep. —Quarl (talk) 2007-02-22 13:37Z 

1001 Ways to Beat the Draft

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Contested prod; A partial copyvio of a non-notable list. Article fails WP:N and WP:RS. Soltak | Talk 00:57, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per just about every single item in WP:NOT (I'm not sure i've seen that happen before)i kan reed 01:46, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Tuli Kupferberg.-- TBC Φ  talk?  01:48, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete -- not suitable. Turgidson 02:42, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge to author's page -- febtalk 03:58, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete Wikipedia isn't an advice Column.Corporal Punishment 03:59, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep (or merge) - along with the play "Fuck Nam" probably the principle 1960s work of artist. It seems to pass WP:BK notability criteria 1 (subject of multiple published works mentioned in articles references), 4 (is a part of the syllabi of university courses on the Beat Generation and the antiwar movement ), and 5 (author is significant beat artist).  Smmurphy(Talk) 05:09, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Save or Merge with other Vietnam War articles. This is an article related to an historic event, and is therfore notable. ZimmerBarnes 05:50, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per Smmurphy. Citations:
 * The Portable Sixties Reader says "As the Vietnam war continued, both mainstream and radical presses in the US kept up the antiwar protest in magazines and books. Three of the most notable were 1001 Ways to Beat the Draft...." (the other two were poems by Denise Levertov and Robert Bly).
 * Capsule bio of Kupferberg in Kerouac and Friends: A Beat Generation Reader says: "Tuli Kupferberg -- pamphleteer, poet, publisher of Birth, and author of over 20 books, in particular, 1001 Ways to Beat the Draft"
 * The Buddhist Third Class Junkmail Oracle: The Art and Poetry of D.a.Levy (another sixties figure) writes: "Levy was inspired ... by Tuli Kupferberg ... Tuli's Birth Press published multitudes of things (probably the best known was 1001 Ways to Beat the Draft"
 * The New York Review of Books reviewed it (1968)
 * As I mentioned on the talk page, the NYRoB didn't really review it, its just mentioned in a review of a legal-type guide to avoiding the draft, and they give its information at the top, as they like to do when they mention any book in a review. Smmurphy(Talk) 15:03, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It is very difficult to find online sources of material for any period of history, so when we have this much we should take it seriously. This is a de rigueur inclusion on almost any list of Vietnam protest literature. --Dhartung | Talk 07:37, 17 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep well known and notable, even in the UK. Nuttah68 10:19, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep As stated above, this was a hugely important protest document. -- Chairman S. Talk  Contribs  11:03, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Notability is both asserted and cited. Why is this article listed on AfD? -Markeer 13:25, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, verbatim as by Markeer and Dhartung Alf photoman 14:38, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep or perhaps better Merge with other similar Vietnam era or anti-war texts. It's notable and had an impact at the time. I even remember it being brought up over the recent talks of bringing the draft back. --Kimon 21:40, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * keep as its own article, I don't see any valid reason for deletion, and it passes N, V &mdash;siro&chi;o 03:36, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
 * keep per common sense. Thedreamdied 00:02, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.