Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/10050 Cielo Drive, Benedict Canyon, Los Angeles


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The result was   keep. Now that the article does not deal solely with the murders--and I changed the lede sentence to clarify that they are not necessarily even the primary notability, I think its clear that the last 3 comments are the true solution.  DGG ( talk ) 21:43, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

10050 Cielo Drive, Benedict Canyon, Los Angeles

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Largely unreferenced stub article with only refs pointing to three mentions about Trent Reznor's ownership of the property (one of which is a dead link).
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Alf.laylah.wa.laylah (talk) 20:35, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Tate-LaBianca murders has been merged into Charles Manson. While the murders and people involved are clearly notable, the address/home location where the murders took place is not notable enough to warrant a separate article.  Sottolacqua  (talk) 18:48, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 18:52, 15 August 2011 (UTC)


 * merge seems about right to me. the original house isn't even there any more and the new address is different.  only notability comes from murders, and if article on murders has been merged, so should this be. Alf.laylah.wa.laylah (talk) 19:02, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge & Redirect; any well referenced material can be merged into the Charles Manson article page; everything else can be deleted, and a redirect left in its place. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 20:25, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * How will readers learn about well referenced material that can't be merged into the Manson article if its deleted?--Oakshade (talk) 15:51, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment—This article is not well-referenced. There are three references, all which pertain to Trent Reznor's ownership of the property. Outside of the murders committed at the location, which are already covered in other sourced articles, this property is not notable.  Sottolacqua  (talk) 16:26, 17 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - Merging the Tate-LaBianca murders article into the Charles Manson one made sense as the former was 100% related to the latter. However this topic is not.  It had a notable history dating back decades before the Tate-LaBianca murders as it was designed by a notable architect and was the residence of multiple iconic Hollywood figures (that last fact would easily qualify it for a blue plaque in London) and would've likely have been a notable topic if Manson had nothing to do with it.  The Manson connection adds to its notability.  The facts of the Hollywood history of the house pre-murders would be totally off-topic and out of place in the Charles Manson article.--Oakshade (talk) 01:17, 16 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep. While the notability of a murder does not automatically convey notability to the place where that murder was committed, this particular residence has a history that is tied to a notable architect and other notable residents. I agree that this historical information would be out of place in Charles Manson. Location (talk) 22:14, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep users are right the other information would not be appropriate to include in the charles manson article, to it should be separate.--BabbaQ (talk) 13:38, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
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