Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/100 Greatest Guitar Solos

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 16:22, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

100 Greatest Guitar Solos
Delete. Primarily an external link. Totally subjective, no chance of being NPOV. &mdash;Wahoofive | Talk 16:27, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC) -I now have an account, Redwolf24. I have also worked on this article a lot.
 * Keep, like 100 Greatest Britons. Kappa 16:51, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, Yes this could become encyclopedia worthy if someone writes down the list. As it is its pretty useless. This 100 Greatest Guitar Solos was published thats why its worth more than individual persons lists. Just like the 100 Greatest Britons BBC list is worth more than my own where I would say Princess Diana would definitely be under greats like Isacc Newton. One died tragically and one DISCOVERED GRAVITY. I may not have an account but please take in consideration what I have said. And please do not strike this out because I have not created an account. -Anonymous 21:33, 14 Apr 2005

Delete Even if the information was imported in from the external site this has two POV problems. The obvious problem of the subjectivity of the list (I am personally appalled that the Jimi Hendrix version of the Star Spangled Banner comes in the bottom half). The second is that "Guitar Solo" here means "Rock Guitar Solo". No classical guitar, no folk guitar, no jazz guitar, etc. Dsmdgold 16:55, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, POV, copyvio. RickK 19:01, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * What is the copyvio? Kappa 20:37, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. There must be thousands of people who've created a "100 greatest guitar solos" list. Why should we have an article about this particular list? Dave the Red (talk) 19:10, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Can you find another one? Kappa 20:35, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * While I've had trouble finding other lists of 100 greatest guitar solos, I've found a list of the 25 greatest guitar solos and a list of 19 of the greatest guitar solos  and a list of the top 10 greatest solos . And there are many, many more where that came from. Are all these lists encyclopedicly notable? Or is this notable because it is a list of 100? No change in vote. Dave the Red (talk) 04:23, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * This one is notable enough because it comes from a notable source and is inherently interesting. Same for other lists from notable sources, but merging them might be a good idea. Kappa 22:26, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete POV, advertisement, and most importantly, original research. --InShaneee 20:53, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Um maybe you could explain how this counts as original research? Kappa 21:07, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Unencyclopedic article from non-notable source. Jayjg (talk) 22:50, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep But redirect to "Notable Rock Guitar Solos" Klonimus 04:06, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, POV, unencyclopaedic. Megan1967 07:43, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, inherently POV. Replace with redirect as per Klonimus. Radiant_* 08:12, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, POV. K1Bond007 19:22, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Actually, this is not the individual editor's POV, even though the title leads one to believe that it is.  I don't know if a redirect to Guitar World would be ok, or if it would be problematic.  The article as it stands *is* POV.  I'd say just add the ext link to the list onto Guitar World (which I just did) and delete this article. --Idont Havaname 03:54, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Note: I believe a revote should happen because the article has changed dramatically. (Posted by 71.112.132.42)

Changes
I've redone the entire page, wikified and listed correctly all the artists and songs, so I think all of these votes need to be recast because this is an entirely differently article then the one voted upon. As to my vote, I don't know how good the title of the article is, perhaps moved to Guitar World's 100 Greatest Guitar Solos would satisfy some, but piss others off even more, so I don't know about that solution. As for the notability of both Guitar World and the list, I think that if we can have a mess of oversized pages devoted to Halo fan-art which are completely acceptable and somehow don't cross into the non-notable or advertising realms then I think this one can stay. Especially because of the huge pain in the ass it was for me to rewrite it all in Wiki. --The Grza 02:26, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)

Concerning "notability", only the first extra sources from Dave the Red makes some sense, the other two are opinionated rubish. More broadly, this list only makes sense if viewed from the perspective of the historical date when this list was made. Its like a time capsule. Certainly, the list would have looked different in 1980. It will certainly look different in 2010. The only honest thing to do, in order to keep this - at least for musicians and guitar fans - interesting reference, is to introduce historical perspective and delete all solos after a certain cut-off point. I would suggest 1975. Or anything that is less than 30 years old. Thus we can keep updating it based on naturaly POV, opinionated and unqualified perceptions of bad journalists, fanatic ott fans and frustrated musicians, provided there is a published reference by one of the mainstream guitar magazines. Wikipedians can also vote: maybe TheGrza could set up a Q on surveymonkey every other year and bring the results into this page? --Modi 16:58, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm not really interested in putting any more work into this page; it was annoying and I'll be the first one to agree that it's not altogether interesting or certifiably valid. But it is the list, from one moment in time of the biggest magazine geared toward this stuff and I think it should be simply renamed to Guitar World's List of 100 Greatest Guitar Solos (2004) or something along those lines. It clearly isn't the 100 Greatest Guitar solos because there it's geared toward rock and away from, say Bach, but I still think it's relevant.--The Grza 23:32, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)


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