Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/100 Greatest Works of Modern Jewish Literature


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The result was delete. Mr.  Z- man  03:04, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

100 Greatest Works of Modern Jewish Literature

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This list was subject to a recent prod by User:Fang Aili who asked: "where did this come from?" and that it was unsourced. She is not wrong as it would be impossible to create a truly WP:NPOV list for such a notion. Any such effort would violate WP:NOR and would vary from community to community, country to country and century to century. Would an Orthodox Jew agree with a secular Jew? Would non-Jews agree with Jews or with each other on a "top 100" such as this? This is pure pie in the sky, that would invarioubly verge on WP:NONSENSE depending on who was looking at it. It should be deleted ASAP. IZAK (talk) 08:16, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

The compiler(s) of this list seems to favor American (and to a lesser extent Israeli) novelists… What about Julien Benda’s magnificent short stories “La Croix de roses” (1923)? Or Lillian Hellman’s classical plays e.g. The Children's Hour (1934) or The Little Foxes (1939)? My verdict: keep the article, but come up with a new list! Moorehaus


 * Keep but amend for above reasons. Moorehaus

Comment - this page appears to be the result of copy and paste from the website cited. If so, it is potentially a COPY-VIO, unless the information has been released into the public domain. If that problem can be overcome, The article could be renamed as a list List of modern Jewish literary works (as suggested by Vice. However the works should be listed alphabetically by author, with the titles being linked to any articles on them.  Alternatively they might be grouped by language of the original publication (which I assume is not in every case Yiddish).  Peterkingiron (talk) 23:21, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete for above reasons. IZAK (talk) 08:16, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletions.   IZAK (talk) 08:16, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletions.   IZAK (talk) 08:16, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * delete this kind of list only makes sense when there is already a notable "top 100" list somewhere else. And even then the article should talk about the list, not just relist what they already did.  Jon513 (talk) 10:25, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Everything indicates that this is something that was compiled by an online bookseller. Mandsford (talk) 17:18, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Interesting list, but whose top 100? Mine? His? Yours. Delete. • Lawrence Cohen  18:36, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. What is "greatest?" Seems to elude definition. --Eliyak T · C 05:18, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Without sources, we have no reason to believe this list represents anything other than an editor's WP:OR opinion. And if there is a source for this list, reproducing it here is quite possibly a copyright violation. Best, --Shirahadasha (talk) 06:06, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Changed to Keep but rename per DGG. Agree source is reliable, however, we should clarify whose list this is. Possible merge to National Yiddish Book Center or rename to e.g. National Yiddish Book Center list of Jewish book recommmendations Best, --Shirahadasha (talk) 00:49, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete→ 0 4 1 7 4 4  18:16, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Suggestion Rename to List of modern Jewish literary works. This list would include all notable works (not just the greatest) and rank them by date, alphabetical order, or some other neutral order.Vice regent 21:18, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep and explain a little further. The reference on the list is not that of an online book seller, but the National Yiddish Book Center, an internationally-known non-profit resource for preserving Yiddish books,--the publisher of an important periodical on the subject of Jewish literature,Pakn Treger, and an organization that is probably qualified for compiling such a list on its own authority. DGG (talk) 21:37, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep but rename per Vice. Normally I opt for a category rather than a list, but I see many worthy notable selections that belong on this list but will likely never have an article written about them to attach to a category. -- M P er el 03:40, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete (and if not, then Strong delete) IZAK's reasons are valid arguments against having a list purporting to be objective. That's not what we have here, though. Instead this is an unambiguous copyright violation of the National Yiddish Book Center's intellectual property. Feist Publications v. Rural Telephone Service clarified that any list that involves some creativity in what is included and excluded, as well as the order of arrangement, is definitely copyrightable. Our policy specifically says that "Excessively long copyrighted excerpts" may not be used. Articles consisting only of copyrighted text may be speedied. nadav (talk) 22:50, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


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