Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/10 Years Later (TV series) (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to In the Middle of the City. No prejudice against recreating this as a stand-alone article if better sourcing can be found which firmly establishes that this meets WP:GNG and/or WP:TVSERIES. It sounds like any such sources are likely to be in Georgian. That's fine (there's no requirement for sources to be in English), but it would be useful to most of our readership if any citations included a translated quote in the citation. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:44, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

10 Years Later (TV series)
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In my WP:BEFORE search, I was unable to find any secondary sources coverage for the show, not even in the Georgian title (different subjects come up) so it fails WP:GNG. Was tagged for verification issues since 2016. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 22:45, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. KCVelaga (talk) 01:11, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Georgia (country)-related deletion discussions. KCVelaga (talk) 01:11, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 02:38, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment -- I am bad at googling in scripts I can't read, but I did notice that we did not have an interwiki link to the Georgian article. I have since added that. In what I found when looking, I did see a preponderance of links for TV show clips, so it does make me think that, if someone can read Georgian, such information may be available. As such, I lean toward leaving this as a stub and keeping. matt91486 (talk) 21:40, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Also of note, the network it is on is a national private network as far as I can tell, which means it should pass WP:TVSERIES. matt91486 (talk) 21:45, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment The problem here is WP:TVSERIES also says a sentence later...In either case, however, the presence or absence of reliable sources is more definitive than the geographic range of the program's audience alone. Either there are sources to back the notability or there are not. Check WP:NRVE. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 23:34, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment And I think it's pretty clear that without being able to search for Georgian sources effectively, it's difficult for us to say there is an 'absence' of reliable sources. Hopefully a reader who has Georgian language ability can help. The Georgian article is moderately substantial, which leads me to believe that such sources do exist. Or see literally the next policy below NRVE (WP:NEXIST). We can go round and round in policy refs though, it's pretty clear that this will fall between lots of conflicting ones. We don't even have a good list of Georgian newspapers that we could hypothetically search. List of newspapers in Georgia (country) is a pretty incomplete seeming list, and when I try to google some of the red links -- even those that are allegedly the papers of record according to a BBC list, I'm not able to clearly find websites for them. I worry about systemic bias concerns for including content that is "easier" to make. Perhaps we could post it at the Georgian (country) Wikiproject for assistance? I did not do it myself, since I don't want to violate WP:CANVASS. matt91486 (talk) 05:32, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment WP:NEXIST says that Notability requires only the existence of suitable independent, reliable sources, and there still are not any reliable coverage in secondary sources to be found. If not, this should be deleted, nothing more, nothing less. And...is that source you posted a foreign site for watching TV shows illegally online? Even if it was a legal one, either way that is not a source that counts towards notability. Hopefully someone else will help here, or this has no reason to stay in mainspace of Wikipedia. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 12:59, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's an illegal streaming website, but I can't rule it out. That wasn't my intention anyway.  I think it's a media portal for the Adjara region. As for your reading of NP:EXIST, you skipped the remainder of the sentence, where it says "not their immediate presence or citation in an article". It's clear at this point we don't have their immediate presence, given that neither of us can read Georgian.  At this point we just gave different views on the likelihood of those sources existing.  I tend toward the TVSERIES view personally. I will post in the relevant wikiproject group in as non-canvass a way as possible in the hopes that someone may be able to offer relevant, regional expertise. matt91486 (talk) 20:16, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
 * net.adjara.com or adjara.net.com is a largely illegal streaming website. It is not a media portal for Adjara. Its name intentionally mimics the locally famous bookmaker Adjara Bet. Thus, it fails WP:RS.--KoberTalk 20:36, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Understood! Thanks for the clarification. matt91486 (talk) 13:53, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment This is not a particularly great source, but it at least seems to be independent, reliable, and verifiable. . But anything more substantial would require looking for someone who can read Georgian, I think. matt91486 (talk) 05:25, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Merge with In the Middle of the City. Marginal notability on a national scale.--KoberTalk 20:36, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 11:33, 8 November 2018 (UTC)


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