Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/132nd Street (Manhattan) (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Inappropriate venue for a merge discussion. This is an out of process nomination. The result of an AFD can be merge or redirect as a alternative to deletion, sure, but this is Articles for Deletion. A merge discussion is the appropriate place for this discussion. Closing as an inappropriate AFD. v/r - TP 14:48, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

132nd Street (Manhattan)
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Article is completely unsourced and I cannot find any evidence that this street meets General notability or Notability Guidelines for streets. We also have an article called List of streets in Manhattan where the information on this article can be put there and the article be redirected. I am also nominating the following related pages because they have the same problems of lacking citations and evidence of notability or are suitable for merging/redirect:
 * The Legendary Ranger (talk) 13:34, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 16:51, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 16:52, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The Legendary Ranger (talk) 13:34, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 16:51, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 16:52, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The Legendary Ranger (talk) 13:34, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 16:51, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 16:52, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 16:52, 28 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Speedy Keep All The nomination proposes to redirect and merge the content of these articles. This is not deletion and so the proposition does not belong here.  See WP:MAD for more details. Warden (talk) 17:03, 28 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Deletion, merging, and redirecting are all valid results of an AfD. These should be Merged and redirected to List of streets in Manhattan. - The Bushranger One ping only 20:41, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect all as The Bushranger says, that is a valid outcome. This forum is actually supposed to be named "Articles for Discussion" (as all the other XfD processes are) but for technical reasons, it has not been renamed.  Imzadi 1979  →   08:56, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect all to List of streets in Manhattan.  Dough 48  72  16:19, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash;SW&mdash; converse 21:35, 3 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete All - none of them get close to meeting the notability requirements, almost all of them make no claims to anything of interest. Wikipedia isn't a street directory, they shouldn't even be in a list article. If you want to find your way around Manhattan, buy a map! Sionk (talk) 23:18, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * "Wikipedia isn't an X directory" is really a meaningless statement that could be used as a claim to delete any X. It's one thing to claim that not every street merits coverage; it's another to claim that no street (or a locale's streets as a whole) can be an encyclopedia topic (and if there's any place on earth that merits coverage of its streets, it's Manhattan). WP:NOTDIR is more about the form and content of articles rather than article topics, i.e. articles on businesses shouldn't include contact information for prospective customers, articles on products shouldn't normally include pricing, that sort of thing. One might as well claim that "Wikipedia is not a business directory" means we shouldn't have any articles on businesses. postdlf (talk) 15:47, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * By street directory, I was referring to the list article, which obviously confused matters here, sorry. Sionk (talk) 16:50, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect per the above without prejudice to splitting off again should sourced content counsel. But I also agree with Warden that at minimum this kind of result should be attempted first through normal editing and discussion (WP:BRD, merge tagging, etc.) rather than resorting to AFD as a first option; see WP:ATD. I see nothing on these articles' talk pages, and we should consider that a failure here. It is a negative aspect of current Wikipedia culture that particular editing outcomes are too often sought through binding pseudo-legalistic processes such as AFD rather than through organic, open ended editing and discussion. People want their way, and they want it within a week. Or maybe AFD should just be made less formal and less time constrained where something other than deletion for blatant policy violation is sought. postdlf (talk) 15:47, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment List of streets in Manhattan includes numbered east-west streets. Some of these (e.g., Claremont Avenue and Front Street) don't run east-west; some are not numbered. I'm not sure that merge and redirect is appropriate for all. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 16:02, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Reply That article should really be named "List of numbered streets in Manhattan" after carefully looking at it, although we can always simply add the "named" street entries and make some modifications to the lede to fix the problem Malik Shabazz bought up. I honestly would rather have all the articles deleted because when we search an article that does not exist on Wikipedia, we are taken to page that shows us the closest relevant articles and since the list articles already has sections for the streets nominated, it would definitely pop up as a suggestion, so redirects are close to useless here. If we want to add information about the streets to the list article after the individual ones had been deleted, all we has to do is copy the contents to a word document, save it, then add it to the list article. The Legendary Ranger (talk) 00:11, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.