Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/14th century in United States history


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was moved to 14th century in North American history. Canderson7 (talk) 18:52, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

14th century in United States history
Centuries before 1776? Sure, the history of the colonies are important. Centuries before 1607? Sure, European exploration of the US and its effect is important. Centuries before 1492? I have to draw the line. It is nearly impossible to verify anything that may have happened way back then, and the one entry that's there comes off as POV. Morgan Wick 18:13, 16 July 2006 (UTC) Delete"Western Europeans lack wealth and seafaring skills necessary for worldwide exploration." Says it all. --Richhoncho 18:31, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom. Useless article along the lines of 17th century in U.S.S.R. history, 5th century European Union politics etc. etc. Bwithh 18:24, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Isn't this like having an article for National Basketball Association before 1946? Ytny 18:55, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep and move to 14th century in North American history. Certainly something happened in North America during the 14th century, and having at least the template established is a start.  Smerdis of Tlön 19:04, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete for being impossible to verify within accepted standards. Eddie.willers 19:05, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete impossible to verify (unlike Mexican history at the same time). Eluchil404 19:19, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete per G1 (nonsense) and A1 (empty). There was no "United States" in the 14th century, so at most the article can only say "nothing happened". Agent 86 19:22, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, useless really. Would support move if the article had any actual content. Punkmorten 21:19, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and there are a few others: 15th century in United States history; 16th century in United States history; 1520s in United States history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angusmclellan (talk • contribs)
 * Delete as inherently unverifiable. —Caesura(t) 23:24, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete per Agent 86, and also speedy delete Angusmclellan's articles. Danny Lilithborne 23:42, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. -- NORTH talk 08:13, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment because the USA didn't exist in pre-1776 times, is it WP's policy that events in pre-1776 times should not be labelled as US anything, including the colonies, the European exploration, and pre-Columbian cultures? Carlossuarez46 18:22, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I've think you've answered your own question. The U.S.A. is a political construct, not a geographical feature Bwithh 19:54, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment. someone should contact the creator of this article, who has created a series of these articles. The more recent ones could be redirects to existing historical pages. I'd do it myself, but I am signing off wikipedia now. NoSeptember  22:04, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment. As the creator of this article, I would like to respond to the rationale for deleting it.  I have completely rewritten the article from a "shell/stub" into a "stub/start" to address your concerns; please read the new article.  I propose to use this article (and others in backward succession) to provide a much-needed chronology of Native American and Polynesian peoples within the present political boundaries of the United States of America, including its territories.  Because the 14th century apparently was one of decline due to rapid climate change and the Little Ice Age, I had difficulty finding "events" to include in this article.

Wikipedia contains many articles--including several linked to the newly rewritten 14th century in United States history--based largely upon the archaeological record and even discusses the geologic time scale quite extensively. Chronologies based on the geologic/evolutionary and archaeological record can reveal the course of development of Native American technologies. Archaeologists routinely conduct field expeditions and publish books and scientific journal articles, rendering their findings (while subject to interpretation) as verifiable as any speculative or evolution-based assertions found on Wikipedia. Because the Native Americans in the United States did create cities like Cahokia in the Midwest and the various Pueblos in the Southwest, the article is neither "useless" nor necessarily "empty" nor inherently "nonsense." Dufekin 06:19, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Note. There are also articles 15th century in United States history (also nominated for deletion) and 16th century in United States history, and the three articles should be dealt with in a consistent way. --Lambiam Talk 08:13, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily. If "United States" is taken to mean territory currently within the United States those two articles could have content, but given the lack of European contact and paucity of writing by the relevant native peoples there simply isn't anything verifiable to put in this one.  Eluchil404 12:11, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


 * RENAME to 14th century in North American history per the consensus over here. The article's title is inaccurate but the information is perfectly valid. Czj 05:22, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong keep and rename per Czj. The issue seems to be the name. Very useful content; it serves as a central point to aggregate and display historical trends among the disparate inhabitants of the continent. Going to the articles for each tribe to glean this information takes time. Any issues of verifiability should already be addressed on the linked-to articles. Classically encyclopedic -- Britannica should be envious when this is all done. --A. B. 16:39, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep and rename now that it has content. Eluchil404 22:17, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.