Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/15 Songs for You


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was a consensus to delete. bd2412 T 13:31, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

15 Songs for You

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A fan-compiled, unofficial album of Christina Aguilera songs. No apparent coverage by reliable third-party sources. ShadowHalo 19:29, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Usually, it's argued that albums are inherently notable if the artists that recorded them are notable... and somehow, Christina Gag-uilera is notable... but my own personal bias aside, I'd definitely say that this is a non-notable album, given its bootleg nature and lack of verifiability. Ten Pound Hammer  • (((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps))) 19:33, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. Cf. discussion about unreleased albums here. --B. Wolterding 22:09, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Note that I said that I can't find any reliable sources on this album... Ten Pound Hammer  • (((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps))) 00:50, 19 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Strong Delete Unofficial albums don't have a specific guideline so I'm going by WP:N and this article defiantly fails. The CD Doesn't even exist for crying out load! It's a bittorrent file of random songs. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 01:45, 19 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Even Stronger Keep It's existence is now not in question as it can be found using ALL the major internet search engines.

Just because this is a new phenomenon does not mean it's not an album as defined in the Wiki and just because the music is not pressed on a CD by a record label does not mean it's not seen as an album by all the downloaders playing it on their iPods.

If any of the major search engines did not list a link to the album then I think an article should be in question but the fact that fans of the artist are finding out about the album and if they want to know more then Wiki should be a place to find that information.

The album exists, it's in a new medium, delivery to listener is a new concept unheard of 5 years ago, people globally are downloading and listening to this album, there are huge numbers of Christina and Britney fans to whom this article would be of great interest so why it can't exist on Wiki is something I find puzzling and have called for some third party input.

I am not particularly a fan of Miss Aguilera, I like a couple of tracks but am really a Genesis, Pink Floyd, Alan Parsons Project and Metallica fan but I do think the new phenomenon of fan compiled albums of rare/previously unavailable material distributed via the internet to hundreds of thousands of fans is worthy of a small article on Wiki.

The comment about reliable third-party reference is interesting. If you Google the album title, follow the link and download the album via a bittorrent client or even follow a link in the article to one of two sound samples you will get to hear the music very quickly but if you read the Wiki article Corn chip there is no third-party reference at all, no external links to follow etc etc but I would not challenge the validity of the article or it's place here, it's doing a job and for someone interested in Corn Chips which is all my article purports to do. If someone is searching for a Christina Discography, sees reference to this album but knows nothing about it Wiki now provides information to exactly what it is, where it came from, who is making it available and what songs are included and where they are from originally. Adw uk 09:03, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * A search engine is not a source. A search engine may or may not be able to provide links to sources.  BitTorrent is not third-party source at all.  And if Corn chip needs references, tag it with unreferenced, but I'm pretty sure that you that there do exist articles and other sources about corn chips.  ShadowHalo 09:52, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep I still think the article is valid, usefull, accurate, informative and is about the work of a major international recording artist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adw uk (talk • contribs)
 * You already voted you cant !vote twice. No matter how you look at it this is not an album. It's an unofficial collection of her songs someone put on bittorent. If I went and found 12 of my favorite Green Day or Trace Adkins songs through them into a bittorent file and named it doesn't make it an album or make it notable on here. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 20:23, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * FYI: Deletion debates are not votes. The outcome of each deletion is based on how the article reflects the Deletion policy and other supporting policies. -- w L &lt;speak&middot;check&gt; 16:38, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:V, which says If an article topic has no reliable, third-party sources, Wikipedia should not have an article on it. Give me one notable source and I'll change my mind, but there doesn't seem to be any. It may be true that these are by Christina, but Wikipedia is about verifiability, not truth  and there are no reputable sources that acknowledge this album. Spellcast 10:13, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. There are no third party media sources that can verify the importance of this album, as Just Be Free has. This compilation is tantamount to going to CMM, collecting all the unofficial remixes and distributing them to P2P calling the compilation an unofficial album. -- w L &lt;speak&middot;check&gt; 16:34, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete in accordance with WP:N and WP:V. There are no reliable sources for 15 Songs For You, and Bittorrent is not a reliable source. As ShadowHalo said, it is a fan-compiled, unofficial album of Christina Aguilera songs. Acalamari 16:43, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.