Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1812 Overture in popular culture


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. Jaranda wat's sup 20:23, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

1812 Overture in popular culture

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Delete - this is a directory of loosely associated topics. The things on this list have nothing in common with one another past using the same piece of music. The bare list of uses tells us nothing about the music, the composer, the instances from which the list items are drawn, how those things relate to each other or the real world. Because the information is of no more value in the main article for the piece, strongly oppose the inevitable suggestion that any of this be merged anywhere. Note that this AFD has nothing to do with whether or not the 1812 Overture is itself notable; it clearly is. The AFD addresses whether the list of every use of the Overture in a movie or TV show is suitable for Wikipedia. Otto4711 16:22, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep or merge into 1812 Overture, because article demonstrates strong cultural influence of one of the most recognizable works of classical music. Best, --  Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 16:30, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Very Obvious Keep. The 1812 Overture is one of those musical pieces, like Chopin's funeral march, the opening bars of 'Also Sprach Zarathustra', of Beethoven's 5th, etc, that has permeated our modern culture, whether popular or high-art. This list should stand. But where's the reference to the 1960's Quaker Oats campaign: "This is the CEREAL that's SHOT from GUNS !!! Rhinoracer 17:31, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Directory of loosely associated topics, tells us nothing about 1812 Overture itself. Sure, the 1812 Overture's notable, but the fact that it was featured in (insert topic here) is NOT encyclopedic! Ten Pound Hammer  • (((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps))) 18:17, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 'Delete per WP:DIR. hbdragon88 22:57, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep as per Roi and Rhino. The article would probably benefit from from some link to a .wav file or the like.  As with Zarathustra, William Tell and Carmen, the 1812 Overture is well known and part of pop culture nearly 200 years later.  In fact, I predict that it will be heard more often as '12 approaches.  Unlike most pop culture lists, this is an instance where the cultural references have increased the fame of the subject.  Thus, 1812 has a familiarity that, say, Capriccio Italien does not.  Most classical pieces won't lend themselves to and "...in popular culture" list.  If it's not kept, then merge it into the main article, but I think this can stand alone. Mandsford 21:56, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge/Delete If the information really matters, it could be put on the 1812 Overture page. Besides that, it is just trivia. NobutoraTakeda 22:06, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Demonstrating cultural significance can be accomplished without a listing of every mention of it in a separate article.  The article on 1812 Overture is rather undeveloped at present.  If reliable sources exist for the impact the 1812 Overture has had culturally, a good prose section could very easily be added there. Resolute 22:53, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete this list. I don't see how it is useful. Trivia is interesting, but certainly does not belong here. the_undertow talk  22:58, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as another list of trivia with little sources, although some of the more pertinent info can be merged into the main article.--JForget 00:17, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete there appear to be no WP:RSes that the 1812 Overture's place in popular culture is notable. Carlossuarez46 01:59, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete "X in popular culture" articles are unencyclopediac and shouldn't exist on wikipedia-- Sef rin gle Talk 04:30, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep or merge/redirect to main article... Ranma9617 02:02, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge/Delete I concur that relevant information should be included in the 1812 Overture article, under a relevant section heading. Moreover, I've noticed articles that include a "trivia" section. By the way, what is the Wikipedia policy about "X in Popular Culture" and "Trivia"? I cannot believe that the topic should be dismissed just because is non-encyclopedic, IMHO. DPdH 06:27, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Still very hotly debated. See WP:TRIVIA and WP:RELEVANCE, and their discussion pages to see current arguments. --Android Mouse 19:16, 20 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge with the large majority of this getting deleted in the process. --Android Mouse 19:14, 20 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.