Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1907–08 Williams Ephs men's ice hockey season


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The result was delete. Hockeyben did not respond to Fram's concerns that the sources Hockeyben provided do not in fact verify this article's content. WP:V therefore mandates deletion.  Sandstein  16:02, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

1907–08 Williams Ephs men's ice hockey season

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When trying to verify this unsourced article, I came upon no actual sources for this, and some strange things. The team is included in the "Collegiate ice hockey standings" as if they were a part of the competition", but their wins don't correspond to any losses by other teams (resulting in a scheme with more wins than losses overall), and the source given in 1907–08 United States collegiate men's ice hockey season is eliteprospects, which gives most of the same teams, but not Williams...

Hockey started at Williams in 1903, so some hockey will have been played in the winter of 1907-08, but whether it has anything to do with what's in the article now, and whether it was in any way a notable season, is (for me) unverifiable. Hockeydb only lists them from 1951 on

Basically, the article claims three wins (intercollegiate) and 4 (overall), but neither figure can be verified, we don't know who the opponents were (apparently not the other teams in the table), or anything else.

I have only looked at this article and not the similar ones for other seasons; if this turns out to be an article that doesn't belong here (and I may well be proven wrong on this), then probably other similar articles need to be checked as well. Fram (talk) 14:08, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. Fram (talk) 14:08, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Massachusetts-related deletion discussions. Fram (talk) 14:08, 12 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep - https://books.google.com/books?id=nKgXAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA70&lpg=PA70&dq=williams+hockey+1910&source=bl&ots=PkgJrIYLUh&sig=ACfU3U1UDrex14aR02192_CoO2Z--9Q2lQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjug9r_kcfoAhVLMt8KHT2HDTUQ6AEwD3oECAwQKA#v=onepage&q=williams%20hockey%201910&f=false this source used on earlier articles lists several games from 1908 and https://www.uscho.com/stats/history/williams/mens-hockey/2019-2020/ has season-by-season records going back to 1903. Didn't take long to find these, and college seasons have long been deemed notable, so this should be an easy keep. -- Hockeyben (talk - contribs) 16:44, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I ran out of time before I could finish the article and had to wait until later to complete it. PensRule11385 (talk) 21:07, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * in the first source you give, I see matches from 1909, but the snippet view doesn't give any 1907-1908 matches. So the "didn't take long to find these " may be true for you, but when I looked at that source (when making the AfD, and just now) nothing to verify the article was or is visible. The second source indicates 4 matches, no coach, and no information on these matches whatsoever. How does this validate the information in the article or, more importantly, make for a notable subject? The source now added to the article is a pure primary source. Fram (talk) 07:29, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 05:38, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, Wikipedia is not a sports almanac. Stifle (talk) 10:51, 28 May 2020 (UTC)


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