Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1951-1952 United States network television schedule (weekday)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Keep. Based on the discussion, it satisfies WP:N. Non-admin closure. NAHID 17:32, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

1951-1952 United States network television schedule (weekday)

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I could see an article on TV programming in the 50's. Maybe even for individual seasons. But a programming grid? WP:NOT a (very old, very outdated) TV guide. &mdash; Coren (talk) 05:22, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. These have been kept (under different page AFDs) time and time again. Are we just going to keep voting until we get the result we want? This is just the most recent AFD on these types of articles, there have been at least five others. Mike H. Celebrating three years of being hotter than Paris 05:24, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I wasn't aware of those previous AfDs. My reasoning still stands, however.  At best, this is a copy of primary sources.  &mdash; Coren (talk) 05:31, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, your reasoning about this being a violation of WP:NOT doesn't stand the test of multiple AFDs, so you're going to have to reword that. Mike H. Celebrating three years of being hotter than Paris 05:33, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Are we confident that the source of this schedule is reliable? The website listed as the source doesn't appear to exist anymore, and the name "curtalliaume.com" doesn't really give much of a hint as to its nature. --Stormie (talk) 09:09, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletions.   —AnmaFinotera (talk) 08:32, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete While other programming grids may be included, the main issue that I'm finding with this one is that a) the references listed are broken links (at the moment, at least); b) the page listed, per cached view (from November 28), is someone's personal website and the main page doesn't reference the pages listed as referenced here, and may not be a reliable source, and c) I can't find a single reference page anywhere to back up a scheduling grid like this.  The only way I can see to possible save any page like this would be to reference shows that were on-air during this time period (which I did find a fair amount of information on), but a programming grid is a little far-fetched based on the info available.Aeternitas827 (talk) 11:38, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Provided sources can be provided in the page itself to reference this particular programming guide, deletion would be out of the question in my mind. However, merge with 1951-52 United States network television schedule (which currently only houses 7pm forward) is something that may be warranted, once this listing can be sourced.Aeternitas827 (talk) 05:47, 16 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete. Inadequately sourced. -- Mikeblas (talk) 11:59, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per all previous discussions that resulted in Keep Articles for deletion/1985-86 United States network television schedule (Saturday morning), Articles for deletion/1997-1998 United States network television schedule, Articles for deletion/1983-84 United States network television schedule (Saturday morning), etc. NOT explicitily states:
 * For example, an article on a radio station generally should not list upcoming events, current promotions, phone numbers, current schedules, etc., although mention of major events, promotions or historically significant programme lists and schedules (such as the annual United States network television schedules) may be acceptable. Joshdboz (talk) 14:05, 15 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep I can see how these could be useful, some good sources would be helpful though. RMHED (talk) 16:13, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Sources were available just two days ago, I think it's just a momentary site break.--Olbia merda (talk) 16:26, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, historically important and per precedent. --Dhartung | Talk 17:08, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, Wikipedia is not a tv guide. Punkmorten (talk) 19:09, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Excellent novel presentation of a way to search for articles on shows. Bravo for innovation. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 22:43, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete I'm pretty sure that "Wikipedia is not a TV guide" is actually said in WP:NOT... Will (talk) 00:50, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per Mike H. This isn't exactly a copy of TV Week. Perhaps merge a couple pages together, say "Network television schedules 1951-1955" if space is a concern? Amaryllis25 '''"Talk to me" 02:57, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep The network TV schedules were widely written about in major US newspapers and magazines, and adequate sources exist to determine what was or was not included in those schedules. There was substantial coverage each season of what would be added, removed, and kept in this network programming. Satisfies WP:N on the basis of substantial coverage in multiple reliable and independent sources, from Time to the New York Times.This is not a "TV Guide" schedule of what is available for viewing this week, so the reference to WP:NOT as a basis for deleting in mistaken.  It is folly to suggest either that 1)there was no network TV schedule in the year in question, or 2)that it and each of the programs in it was not the subject of substantial coverage in multiple independent and reliable sources. Edison (talk) 03:54, 16 December 2007 (UTC)


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