Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1955 United Kingdom heat wave


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The result was no consensus. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 15:15, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

1955 United Kingdom heat wave

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Article is a 3-line stub about a local drought in 1955, no documentation of an "associated heatwave". No WP:LASTING notability for what the article itself calls "the 7th worst drought in Yorkshire". — JFG talk 11:37, 9 August 2018 (UTC)


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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 01:32, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep but Improve - the heatwave and drought are certainly a very notable event. The article is poorly written and should be improved. RandomIntrigue - 22:55 19 August 2018 (UTC)
 * We could perhaps improve the writing but can we do something about the sourcing? It's the deciding factor in such matters. Could you help? -The Gnome (talk) 11:29, 26 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep This drought is verifiably notable: . James500 (talk) 12:18, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The source you're citing does not even mention a 1955 heat wave. -The Gnome (talk) 11:29, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes it does. Table 3 says that the drought of 1955 to 1956 was "notable". James500 (talk) 17:14, 26 August 2018 (UTC) This is not an easy thing to search GBooks for because there were other droughts in 1955/6, because many contemporary periodicals are not included, because books dealing with droughts often use dates to refer to sources etc (background noise), and because of the way the search engine works, but see for example: Estates Gazette, Ibis (on p 13 of the latter the April 1955 drought is described as "outstanding" and "severe" ). Also Meteorological Magazine etc   . James500 (talk) 17:48, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The mentions are almost all about the drought and not about some heat wave. We're not supposed to deduce, conclude, or hypothesize as Wikipedia editors. We go by sources. -The Gnome (talk) 09:08, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * If you bother to read our article, it says that it is about "The UK drought of 1955 and associated heatwave". They are part of the same incident which our article is about. To try to make a distinction between the drought and the heatwave is semantic hair splitting. Even if there is an issue it is easily solved by a page move to something like 1955 United Kingdom drought and heatwave or even 1955 United Kingdom drought if sources on the heatwave are not forthcoming. Remember, the solution to an incorrectly titled page is a page move, not deletion. James500 (talk) 14:26, 27 August 2018 (UTC) July 1955 heat wave killed 429 people: . Another source would be, which also says sunniest summer for years. And another would be which says the heat wave led to mass food poisoning. So, yes, there was a heat wave. There are a lot of sources that speak of a heat wave in 1955, but it is not easy to determine what country they are talking about from snippet view, since there was also a heat wave in, for example, California. James500 (talk) 15:04, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 10:05, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete : Sources, or whatever exists that can be reasonably entitled as such (the plural is a stretch), indicate a few droughts here and there, and nowhere near the heat levels for which the prose strives. -The Gnome (talk) 11:29, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
 * If that is true, why does Ibis describe the April 1955 drought as "outstanding" and "severe"? James500 (talk) 17:51, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Because the drought might indeed have been all that. As to the epithets, many events denoted in various media as "outstanding" and/or "severe" in History cannot be found in Wikipedia. Now what about the heat wave? By the way, Ibis is a journal published by the British Ornithologists' Union. We probably need something better than their assessment for an allegedly significant event in temperature outliers. -The Gnome (talk) 09:08, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I would have thought the British Ornithologists' Union are capable of telling a severe drought from a normal one, but I will endeavour to find more sources if I have time. If many severe and outstanding events (especially from the 1950s) are missing from Wikipedia, the cause is more likely to be a lack of interest from our editors than a lack of sources. James500 (talk) 16:14, 27 August 2018 (UTC)


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