Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1967 N3381W Piper Cherokee crash


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.   Wifione    .......  Leave a message  02:45, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

1967 N3381W Piper Cherokee crash

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Fails WP:EVENT, an obscure little piece of trivia than can easily be covered in the article about the radio station, where it is already mentioned anyway; and without which this has no context, being just another of a myriad of cases of an untrained pilot flying in bakId weather and hitting something. I thought about turning this into a redirect to the radio station article per WP:BOLD but I concluded that the only people that would search for this based on the title would be those who already have specific details about the crash, i.e. the type of aircraft and registration, and the year it happened. Therefore I am of the opinion that a redirect would serve no useful purpose. YSSYguy (talk) 01:44, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Meets WP:AIRCRASH. People interested in researching the history of air crashes, and there are a significant number of them, can find this article through categories and lists, rather than by typing in the exact article title.  Cullen 328   Let's discuss it  02:14, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment if you think this meets AIRCRASH, then no offence meant, but you cannot have understood it properly. YSSYguy (talk) 02:19, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * If I have misunderstood it, then perhaps it should be rewritten to be clearer. I see six fatalities, what I can only assume was hull loss, and coverage in the New York Times.  My guess is that many other publications covered the crash also.  Cullen 328   Let's discuss it  02:38, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I now see that the aircraft was too small to have qualified unless all three conditions in WP:AIRCRASH were met. Perhaps you might have pointed that out in your nomination.  Cullen 328   Let's discuss it  03:05, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Point taken, my apologies. YSSYguy (talk) 23:36, 9 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete – As it is a light aircraft under 12,500 lbs that resulted in no lasting changes to procedures or Airworthiness Directives, it fails WP:AIRCRASH and is therefore non-notable. It should be retained as a mention in the article about the radio station, however as it is notable in the history of the station, but not as a stand-alone aircraft accident. - Ahunt (talk) 11:34, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. The article is interesting and contains adequate sourcing. It's been around for years (almost 6, in fact) without harming anything. Why delete it? —Cleared as filed. 04:05, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 20:46, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Because all that needs to be said about it can be covered in the article about the radio station. There have been thousands of this type of crash over the years and the pilot's name is irrelevant, the type of aircraft is irrelevant, where it ended up after hitting the tower is irrelevant. All that needs to be recorded is that broadcasting was delayed because the tower was hit by a light aircraft, being flown in bad weather by a pilot who was only qualified to fly in good weather. Why does that need a separate article? The "adequate sourcing" is an accident report - which are done for all aviation accidents in the USA, as well as rail, ship and pipeline accidents apparently; a news report; and two primary sources. How does "Interesting and it's not doing any harm" get past WP:EVENT? YSSYguy (talk) 06:09, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, this is why I had more or less stopped contributing to Wikipedia. Thanks for reminding me. —Cleared as filed. 17:39, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete not really notable as a stand-alone article, small aircraft hits something all on board died, sad but not notable. MilborneOne (talk) 19:47, 14 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom.--Charles (talk) 20:31, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
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