Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1983 Blue Swords


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Article subjects are found to meet the notability criteria for inclusion. &mdash; Coffee //  have a ☕️ //  beans  // 03:21, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

1983 Blue Swords

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This article should be deleted (or redirected to Blue Swords) as it duplicates information already found in Blue Swords I am taking this to AfD as reverted my redirection of this article to Blue Swords. -KAP03(Talk &bull;&#32;Contributions) 21:56, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I will nominate these articles in the same vein as they are duplicating information already found in Blue Swords -KAP03(Talk &bull;&#32;Contributions) 21:56, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

{{{la|1969 Blue Swords}}

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Strong Keep I found these articles a week or two ago, they're all fairly new. The main article meets the nominal criteria for figure skating competitions, but it only includes the top three finishers in each event. That's understandable, but if you look at these articles, most of the finishers are also notable enough for articles of their own. This is a clear DINC situation, these articles need expansion and cleanup. If there's no chance of that, then deletion is understandable, but it seems like there's a strong possibility of cleanup with some insight from experts in German and figure skating articles. South Nashua (talk) 04:46, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 00:51, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:38, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:38, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:38, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Only the names of the medalists are duplicated from Blue Swords. Information on other participants should not be deleted since many are notable. Alternatively, these articles could be merged with Blue Swords (however, this would make that article unwieldy). Hergilei (talk) 21:03, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * redirect the pages lack sources to prove notability and are a simple list of stats with a repeated lead. I would suggest having expandable lists in the main article Blue Swords Domdeparis (talk) 07:47, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * comment. It's true that these pages are underdeveloped but WP:RUBBISH: "an article which may currently be poorly written, poorly formatted, lack sufficient sources, or not be a comprehensive overview of the subject, can be improved and rewritten to fix its current flaws. That such an article is lacking in certain areas is a relatively minor problem, and such articles can still be of benefit to Wikipedia. In other words, the remedy for such an article is cleanup, not deletion." It's difficult to find news articles for topics from the pre-internet age, however, many of these events appear to have received national media coverage. There are photographs in the German Federal Archives, see https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Pokal_der_Blauen_Schwerter This indicates notability. Hergilei (talk) 09:03, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect, but on the condition that the root article be massively expanded to hold all the information on the current pages listed here for deletion. – Vami _IV✠  15:36, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kharkiv07  ( T ) 01:09, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per South Nashua. Lepricavark (talk) 14:49, 3 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment As South Nashua says the main article is clearly notable but there are no sources for the 18 articles to prove their notability. the DINC argument does not apply here IMHO because it's not the quality of the article that is in question but the notability. If there were sources proving the notability then the articles are fine. The argument from Hergilei  that "Information on other participants should not be deleted since many are notable." is suggesting that the notability is inherited and that everything that a notable person does should be kept. I personally do not agree. Domdeparis (talk) 08:46, 4 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Weak keep. My only real problem is the lack of sources demonstrating notability. I'm well aware of the warning in WP:MUSTBESOURCES, but I suspect that in this instance that WP:RS printed sources may exist but are not online. All the events listed in this AfD took place in the former DDR, and write-ups are likely to be in German or Russian. Searching isn't easy: even if you try to search in German and force a year into a Google search, a whole slew of false positives overwhelms the possibly-relevant results. (I failed to dream up a Russian search expression - that language lacks a general word which means "blue".) The 1987 article cites Neues Deutschland and de:Pirouette (Magazin) as sources. I wouldn't trust ND for political reporting as far as I could throw it; but it was a mass-circulation newspaper in the former DDR, and reports of sporting events are another matter. I am not competent to comment on whether or not Pirouette is WP:RS - that definitely needs input from a figure skating expert. Narky Blert (talk) 22:51, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 * (For completeness - I found 14 articles in German Wiki which mention "Pokal der blauen Schwerter". That is neither here nor there, under WP:NOTINHERITED. Even if dozens of thoroughly notable people have triumphed in the Little Wittering Kindergarten Under-5s Egg-and-Spoon Race (and for all I know, they have), that wouldn't make the event notable.) Narky Blert (talk) 23:18, 10 April 2017 (UTC)


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