Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1985–86 South Midlands League


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The result was keep. Ixfd64 (talk) 16:20, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

1985–86 South Midlands League

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PROD was removed, I don't see how this passes WP:GNG let alone WP:NSEASONS. Govvy (talk) 16:45, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
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 * Comment - NSEASONS covers individual team seasons, it doesn't even mention seasons of a league -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:02, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Reply Interesting, I would of thought NSEASONS would cover the league, anyway, the article still fails GNG and I hardly think you're going to find the coverage needed for any of these season articles at this level. Govvy (talk) 13:19, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - this league was step 8/9 of the pyramid? Where is the coverage of this individual season? Fails GNG from what I can see. GiantSnowman 19:38, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - Eastern Counties Football League, Kent Football League, Essex Senior Football League, Combined Counties Football League they were at same level as South Midlands League and was a feeder to Isthmian League. Whee you delete South Midlands League, then you should another 10-12 leagues also delete. Read more about leagues of this level: Articles for deletion/1997–98 Kent Football League Denebleo 21:04, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Reply O yes, I remember that AfD, I still feel that article fails GNG, there is no in-depth coverage of that league. I thought a lot of the keep arguments were floored! These articles you're creating, I don't see one that passes GNG. Govvy (talk) 13:19, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Reply I found another sources: https://www.nonleaguematters.co.uk/nonleaguetables/lt1985-1986.html#SMID that is an archive of a site different from the site from my page. The seasons for individual teams can also read on different FCHD sites: https://www.fchd.info/SHEFFORT.HTM, https://www.fchd.info/WINSLOWU.HTM etc. On my site can easy read which teams are promoted and relegated from or to the South Midlands League or Istmian League, on the original sources are difficult this. Denebleo 12:17, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep: I know there is WP:OSE, but we generally have articles down to this level for non-league seasons, so deleting this because we can't find GNG-level sources is recentism as far as I'm concerned. Microwave Anarchist (talk) 23:18, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Reply How is it recentism? This article is about a season from 1984-85, surely if there were decent sources they would be added! I didn't say the league itself is not notable. I feel it's good to show the league structure down to this level and have pages about each league. But going into each individual season? That's just over-kill at this level for information. How is it going to be relevant now? I feel WP:INDISCRIMINATE applies also. At the moment this page is just mirroring the source, the same with the other two AfDs I posted and not forgetting WP:NOTMIRROR. Govvy (talk) 10:22, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. It's always difficult to find pre-internet sources. Perhaps a discussion about the notability of seasons at this level more widely could be beneficial, but I wouldn't support deleting these while we keep more recent seasons. Microwave Anarchist (talk) 21:42, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per Microwave Anarchist and the outcome of the Kent League AfD (as can be seen on 1985–86 in English football, we have articles on other leagues at the same level). As pointed out, NSEASONS is irrelevant as that guideline concerns club seasons, not league seasons. Number   5  7  14:33, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment - I think that a general conversation needs to be had about whether the presumption of notability for this level of football is valid or not. I stand by my comments in the Kent AfD. I have seen no evidence that these topics actually pass WP:GNG. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 17:49, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Reply That's my problem, I don't see GNG met either, I don't know why people would say WP:OSE for keeping an article when there is a major concern with GNG. Govvy (talk) 18:08, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree. I don't think the coverage provided by FCHD or Non-League Matters amounts to GNG, but that's just my view. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:04, 18 March 2021 (UTC)


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