Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1999 T. F. Green Airport runway incursion (2nd nomination)


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The result was   merge to T. F. Green Airport. There may not be enough "notability" for a standalone article but the information is noteworthy and this target looks to be a logical location for it indeed. Shereth 16:41, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

1999 T. F. Green Airport runway incursion
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This is an article about a non-event--a thing that never happened. On the first AfD a year and a half ago, the result was no consensus. The closest thing we have to a guideline for aircraft events is here. There is a lot of verbiage on that page, but note that most of it is related to the notability of accidents--not the notability of non-accidents, non-events, or near-misses. I think most editors would agree that articles should be about things that have actually happened, not about things that didn't happen or "nearly" happened. Qworty (talk) 18:55, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Just to be clear: the incursion happened, and that's what the article is about. It may well be non-notable, as you argue, but we don't have a policy that things have to go ka-boom for them to be notable. Just sayin'. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:54, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * If something had to go kaboom to be notable, Wikipedia would only have a couple thousand articles. Tavix | Talk  22:43, 9 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions.  —Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:59, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of News-related deletion discussions.  —Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:00, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Nodding my previous nomination. A runway incursion is when two planes become closer than normal to each other. That means it was a "near-accident" but still not an accident. These happen way more than one might think so I really don't see how this should be a special case. Tavix | Talk  22:43, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Merge per above. --Triadian (talk) 01:11, 10 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Merge to T. F. Green Airport. A short burst of news reports doesn't not grant notability, per WP:NOTNEWS. There was no significant coverage beyond 2000, and the event seems to have had little real impact. It can be covered briefly at the airport article, but the event isn't notable enough for its own article. Fences  &amp;  Windows  00:43, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Rhode Island-related deletion discussions.  --  Fences  &amp;  Windows  00:44, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge to T. F. Green Airport per above and WP:PRESERVE. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:48, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Wikipedia is not a directory of accidents that could have happened but didn't, or nonnotable mistakes that people made. Edison (talk) 02:36, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep This incident involved not two (per infobox) but three aircraft. It meets WP:AIRCRASH criteria L2 and P2 at least. An accident or incident does not need to have multiple deaths to establish notability. In this case, there was the potential for multiple deaths, which was only averted by the actions of the captain of MetroJet Flight 2998. Mjroots (talk) 10:00, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. There's a "potential for multiple deaths" every time a pilot gets on a plane.  And every time you get in your car.  Qworty (talk) 15:24, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment a potential for an accident = a potential for notability. Hey guess what: it wasn't an accident, it was an incursion; so your claim fails. Tavix | Talk  23:27, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment The 2007 San Francisco International Airport runway incursion and the 2005 Logan Airport runway incursion also had the potential for hundreds of deaths, and they are also notable enough to have articles. As I stated above, this incident involved three aircraft, not two.
 * Comment. Then those two articles should also go!  Thank you for pointing them out.  I love absurd phrases such as "the near-collision occurred at"--I'm sorry, but that is a thing that did not happen!  It did not occur at any time!  Talk about dishonest phrasing.  Qworty (talk) 06:36, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete or Merge What makes this runway incursion more notable than any of the others that happen regularly all over the world that don't get a WP article? See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS Roger (talk) 11:35, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Merge. The case is clear in the above discussion. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:21, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge', this meets criteria L2 of WP:AIRCRASH if you classify T.G. Green Airport as major (I hold no opinion on this), but nothing else - the unsourced statement about the crew of 2998 being honoured does not meet criteria P2's requirements of "a prestigious national, international or industry award". Even if P2 was met, it would not make the air crew notable for their own article (see WP:1E) and so coverage of the incident would still be best on the article about the airport. Thryduulf (talk) 13:31, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
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