Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2003 Junior Fed Cup Final


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The result was delete.  MBisanz  talk 19:47, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

2003 Junior Fed Cup Final

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PROD rationale was ''I can't find any significant in-depth coverage of these junior matches. Even the Junior Wimbledon finals are not usually notable enough for their own article. In fact, even most senior Grand Slam and Fed Cup finals don't warrant stand-alone articles. There's no justification for this article.''

This was removed without explanation. Quoting from the relevant policies, the complete absence of any independent sources covering these junior matches shows that they aren't notable enough for a Wikipedia article. WP:SPORTSEVENT requires A game that is widely considered by independent reliable sources to be notable, outside routine coverage of each game, especially if the game received front page coverage outside of the local areas involved - this is clearly failed here. WP:GNG wants significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, which is also sorely lacking.

Additionally, SPORTSEVENT encourages that Articles about notable games should have well-sourced prose, not merely a list of stats. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:00, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
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 * Delete: Does not meet notabilty for sports events; see WP:SPORTSEVENT--Whiteguru (talk) 11:03, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep: [Netherlands Wins Junior Fed Cup] I found an article. (talk) 12:33, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * That article is published by Bille Jean King Cup - which is the Fed Cup. Have you got any independent sources? Wikipedia notability is not passed when the only coverage is on the subject's own website. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 11:32, 5 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep. Or keep for now. There is a brief lull in access to articles in the first five years of this millennium and to lesser extent in the five years just before and after. These seem to be gap years between articles entering the archives vs articles appearing and being kept online. If this annual event was perfectly notable before and after then it is probably not a good idea to wipe out the "lull years". On the other hand, if there is an idea to merge all these articles into the Junior Davis Cup and Junior Fed Cup this may be a great idea. (Or even splitting Junior Davis Cup and Junior Fed Cup to the contain more annual data?) In this case, I am concerned that this AfD does not reach the right public. Maybe set up a discussion on the Junior Davis Cup and Junior Fed Cup talk page how to reorganize the information, if there is a wider idea or concern? In short, I would like to see a more systematic approach for the series. gidonb (talk) 22:39, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * If there isn't any significant coverage of these individual tennis matches then maybe redirect to Junior Davis Cup and Junior Fed Cup or delete until some comes forward? I'm not sure that we can safely presume that these would have had significant coverage as even the more recent Junior Fed Cup matches don't seem to get much. The information in 2003 Junior Fed Cup Final is almost identical to the main article anyway, the only additional info is the individual match results but Wikipedia is not a sports almanac and we don't need this level of statistical detail unless the matches themselves were significant for some reason. Even Junior Grand Slam finals don't usually qualify for a separate article so I can't see why a Junior Fed Cup match would. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:05, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * For sure we are not a sports almanac. So there is no rule that we must have these articles. There is no clear rule against the entire range either. There can be merit in a reorganization of this information but for this we need to address issues heads-on. Either all these articles should be eliminated or the few that were deleted (exclusively from the "lull years") restored so we do not end up with a range of articles gapped through the technicality of source approach rather than all our information governed through substance. gidonb (talk) 15:44, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 23:25, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: Does not meet notabilty per WP:SPORTSEVENT.4meter4 (talk) 19:25, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - not notable as per other similar discussions. See 2016 Junior Fed Cup Final. Fyunck(click) (talk) 02:15, 17 June 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.