Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2006 J. League Division 1 results March


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The result was Delete. —Quarl (talk) 2007-02-08 22:01Z 

2006 J. League Division 1 results March

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De-prodded with a suggestion to move to WikiNews. Last time I checked we can't move things to WikiNews because of license incompatibilities. (Would they want these entries anyway?) So, delete because:

Wikipedia is not a soccer statistics site/collection of information/database/news service, see relevant and overwhelming precedent at Articles for deletion/NHL Results October 2006, Articles for deletion/Fußball-Bundesliga - August 2006 and September 2006, Articles for deletion/Football League Championship results August 2006, Articles for deletion/FA Premier League results December 2006‎, Articles for deletion/Ligue 1 results August 2006. Punkmorten 10:30, 4 February 2007 (UTC)


 * This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. Scottmsg 17:59, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Scottmsg 17:59, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Resolute 06:13, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I suggested transferring them to Wikinews. WikiNews would seem to be a good place for them, since newspapers and news web sites carry loads of sports results including season outcomes. I apologize for not knowing that we can't do that. If that can't be done, let's put them in the user's space; maybe he can repost them in WikiNews. (User:Sirasu is the only editor of all of these articles prior to the deletion proposal.) Fg2 08:00, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment User:Sirasu apparently speaks very little English (en:0 on his user page). So, any suggestions about relocating this data would best be handled by someone who understands Japanese and the WikiNews criteria. Neier 13:06, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletions.   -- Neier 13:06, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. The major issue with these articles (and the others cited in the nomination that I also tried to save) seems to be the format of the information.  Several "season of XYZ team" articles exist, and have normally withstood AFD.  Admittedly, those articles also include info about a particular team's personnel changes, streaks, etc; however, they include the scores of games too (see Rangers F.C. season 2005-06 for one example).  Sports leagues are notable, for the same reason that sports teams are notable.  Articles on a particular season of a profession sports league are commonplace as well.  League tables are in those articles, and by extending the decision to include a team's scores on a team's season article, it is not unreasonable to include all scores from a league on the league's season article.  However, that is unwieldy, and probably more than the 50KB recommended size.  I don't know how big each of these monthly articles is, but, they can probably be merged to a single article for the whole season, and referenced from J. League - 2006.  It is not logical to delete the information just because it is compiled by week (which is a rational way to look up such info), when if it was separated by each team and split across (18 teams in J. League) differnt pages, it would be "acceptable".  Neier 13:23, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per my comments at Articles for deletion/La Liga 2006/2007 results December 2006: For plot summaries (see WP:NOT) we require that "Wikipedia articles on works of fiction should contain real-world context and sourced analysis, offering detail on a work's achievements, impact or historical significance, not solely a summary of that work's plot." Why should we require less of sporting events? Pure data without an explanation of its significance would seem to fall under WP:NOT as indiscriminate information. This vote pains me a little as a possible WP:BITE (the main contributor doesn't really speak English and earned a barnstar for his efforts), but I should and will be consistent. Dekimasu が... 06:39, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think you need to worry about WP:BITE, as you can see on his talk page, I warned him (in sloppy Japanese) in December about the other leagues' results pages getting deleted, and he stopped creating them (I'm pretty sure he was headed for 2005 next). I'm basically resigned to the fact that I won't see eye-to-eye on the concensus of these, but, I might as well add my dissent to every discussion that comes along.  The barnstar was for the sheer amount of work he had put into Japanese soccer pages in general (before any of these results pages were created). Neier 08:24, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment As to the transwiki to WikiNews, since User:Sirasu is the only editor (pre PROD and AFD) of these articles, wouldn't they be eligible for the move, with the appropriate byline? Neier 08:24, 8 February 2007 (UTC)


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