Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2007-08 United States network television schedule (old)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep. Comments by bearcat seem to reflect consensus, and policy. El_C 18:18, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

2007-08 United States network television schedule

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Clearcut violation of WP is not a "electronic program guide" from WP:NOT. If this is not a violation of that clause, then I don't know what is Corpx 03:17, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. It is very important, and if we delete one of them, we have to delete all of them. See ]. James Luftan 03:27, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * This should be judged separately because this is the current TV guide. Also see WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS Corpx 03:29, 27 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Then we will update as time goes along; This is a TV schedule. Why years 1946-2007, but not the current year? James Luftan 03:35, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Because WP:NOT says WP is not an electronic program guide Corpx 03:40, 27 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep because well, of all the previous discussions which are found in the prior AFD. Sorry, but this isn't a program guide, it's actually quite a bit more than that.  Not how, for example, it notes both the returning and new programs?  It would also be possible to add analysis and commentary to the page.  FrozenPurpleCube 03:54, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * So, WP:NOT policy can be circumvented by adding analysis and commentary? Corpx 04:02, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * If by circumvented, you mean "the article made appropriately encyclopedic" then yes. For example, plot summaries. Raw plot summary? Not appropriate. Plot summary as an aspect of an article on a given creative work with sourced analysis and commentary? Makes for quite a few featured articles. In this case, I'm not sure there's any actual policy being circumvented, but I do think you should consider the spirit of the rules, not the literal terms. Why does the TV guide exist in NOT? Because individual daily program schedules, while useful, are not considered encyclopedic. However, this is a different kind of beast, since it's not meant for usage in that fashion. This is really just a collation of information that's actually the subject of news reports like  and has been for decades.   FrozenPurpleCube 04:10, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The plot summary is not a good example. WP:NOT says "A brief plot summary may be appropriate", while it makes no such assertions for "electronic program guides".   This is pretty much the exact episode guide I get from titantv.com, save for specials that are not part of the normal schedule.    Corpx 05:21, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I gave it as an example because that statement was placed in there explicitly. If that doesn't show you that there's more than a literal interpretation to things, I don't know what does.  FrozenPurpleCube 06:02, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I guess our interpretations differ then. What else could that guideline be trying to prevent, if not this?   The returning/cut/new shows should be added elsewhere, and not be used as justification to keep an episode guide, in my opinion Corpx 06:09, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * That is intended to discourage things like:  or  and even .  I'm glad you recognize that the changes in the shows themselves is reasonable information to include.  What you don't seem to get is that the time the shows are on is equally reasonable, as it provides a demonstration of the relationship between them.  This relationship is not something unimportant, but something that gets regular press in newspapers and industry magazines.  It'd be one thing if they were aired "any ole time" but they're not. FrozenPurpleCube 07:05, 27 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Wikipedia is not TV Guide. Not to mention that the times are arbitrary.  Resolute 04:06, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, they're not at all arbitrary. Local television stations only have limited ability to change the broadcast package they receive.  The programming department at the major channels set the schedule based on their needs.  FrozenPurpleCube 04:10, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I worded that poorly. The limitation on noting what is shown between 7:00-11:00 is the arbitrary times I was trying to comment on.  If it is important to know what network schedules are, why is it only important to know what prime time network schedules are? Resolute 04:51, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It's called "primetime" for a reason. If you wish to make an effort to include other programming, that's not objectionable to me.  FrozenPurpleCube 06:02, 27 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep because as someone who is working on several articles of upcoming shows, this article has proved to be very useful for me as a reference guide. I also don't see why the article can't be saved from deletion by making it more encylopedic as suggested above. Kiki 05:17, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per the arguments of FrozenPurpleCube and previous AfDs. Far from TV Guide, the contents of articles like this are covered and discussed by the media extensively when they are announced each year. Maxamegalon2000 05:30, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - I'm a UK citizen but I find the workings of the American Broadcasting Media very interesting with the differences to our institutions and broadcasting model here in the UK & NI. This page does not got into the detail of an EPG, it simply gives an overview of what direction the free-to-air arm of US TV is going in and I certainly believe that's something warranting an entry. Earl CG 11:09, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletions.   -- the wub  "?!"  13:04, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and WP:NOT. The lists of what is returning and what is not do not serve to elevate this above a directory type listing, and as has been mentioned, we are not TV Guide.  ɑʀкʏɑɴ 15:33, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The "Wikipedia is not TV Guide/an EPG" rule is meant to foreclose on notions that Wikipedia should update network articles every week with schedule changes and specials and episode titles and guest stars and other such program trivia applying to that particular week (e.g. "On July 29, 2007, ABC will air The Foo Foo Show at 8 p.m. and Happy Bunnies at 8:30, instead of vice versa according to their usual schedule, and NBC's Mr. Silly Goes to Town will be pre-empted for a special airing of Masturbating to the Hits."). It does not preclude giving basic information on a network's fall upfronts schedule, which is very much a valid encyclopedic topic as it constitutes the very core of the single most important annual event in television broadcasting. Keep. Bearcat 04:29, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep An article showing the network programs by day of the week and time is not an electronic program guide. Per Electronic program guide such an article would give the schedule of actual episodes for the upcoming broadcast schedule, with names of episodes, plot summary, guest stars, etc, like TV Guide. These article merely give the name of the program. There is nothing here contrary to the WP:NOT prohibition of electronic programming guides. The broadcast schedules are widely written about, and references can be added . Satisfies WP:N. Edison 06:58, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.