Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2007 alleged plot to attack Southern Illinois University


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Userfied by User:UnclePaco, non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps•Review?) 05:29, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

2007 alleged plot to attack Southern Illinois University

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This is a prime example of something which belongs on Wikinews, rather than Wikipedia. It's a recent local news event with no particular indication that there will be lasting encyclopedic interest in it. Should we be cataloging every single such occurrence? FCYTravis 02:59, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. wikipediatrix 03:00, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge with Southern Illinois University. There is already a sentence there, but the wording in this article is better. Flyguy649 talk contribs 03:26, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * keep it is like saying columbine, the first attack on WTC, or attempted assasinations like the Bay of Pigs serve no value.UnclePaco 03:28, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Your argument is unconvincing. Columbine and WTC were actual attacks, and the Bay of Pigs was not an attempted assassination, it was an attempted invasion - which actually occurred and failed. This is a minor news item about a student who may or may not have done something illegal - nothing has been determined yet in a court of law. There is extensive evidence to suggest that Columbine, WTC and the Bay of Pigs had encyclopedic impacts on history, from gun laws to Islamist terrorism to American interventionism in Latin America. There's no evidence that yet exists to suggest that this incident will hold the same long-term interest. Furthermore, we cannot at this time write a balanced account of this event, because we as yet have nothing but news releases from police and prosecutors. All of that suggests that this should be a news article about a news item, and not an encyclopedia article. News articles have their own site, and it's called Wikinews. FCYTravis 03:51, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * There was an attmpt here that failed as well. It was stopped at the planning stage. Written threats of terroristic activities are illegal. UnclePaco 03:59, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * There may have been an attempt here. The accused is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. You've still failed to address the issue of encyclopedicity. What I've read here is a news piece, not an encyclopedia article. FCYTravis 04:04, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Not according to the Patriot Act. Even by going thru that thought process there is no guilty until proven innocent with Rock Hudson allegedly being gay.  Though there is a whole section on it on wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Hudson#Personal_life UnclePaco 04:07, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid you're misinformed. The USA PATRIOT Act does not and cannot rebut the presumption of innocence, which is an established Constitutional right. See Coffin v. United States. FCYTravis 04:10, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll leave interpretations of law to LAWYERS and Judges. Habeous Corpus can be taken away with the Patriot Act. Address the Rock Hudson being gay argument.   UnclePaco 04:12, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * And SarbOx requires CEOs to sign financial statements. So what? Habeas corpus is not in question here. Your Rock Hudson "argument" is nothing of the sort. First, being gay isn't a crime. Second, he's a public figure, the subject of extensive interest as a movie star. Third, he's dead. FCYTravis 04:21, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Being gay isn't a crime? There are many many many places where being GAY is a crime! On the books it's illegal in many places. Oduwale is now a public figure since his arrest!   What does SarbOX have to do with it? We are not talking about business!UnclePaco 04:30, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * We're not talking about habeas corpus, either. Being gay is not a crime anywhere within the United States. See Lawrence v. Texas. FCYTravis 04:34, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm glad that you have taken the time to realize that it is still a crime in many places. The United States is less than 5% of the world. Pedophilia is still illegal in most states.  As well as gay marraiges.  http://lesbianlife.about.com/cs/wedding/a/Amendment.htm UnclePaco 04:39, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Indeed, I'm not aware of any U.S. state in which pedophilia is legal. Are you analogizing homosexuality and pedophilia? If you are, this conversation is over. FCYTravis 04:41, 31 July 2007 (UTC)


 * anything outside of the norms of society is considered to be a deviancy. S&M is a sexual deviancy so is homoesexuality.  What is the problem there? UnclePaco 04:44, 31 July 2007 (UTC)


 * How about you two stop this discussion about sexuality, habeus corpus, the USA PATRIOT Act, and such ... it isn't really relevant, and all it is doing is inflaming passions (or so it seems from my perspective). Instead, comment on why this article should or should not be deleted.  --Iamunknown 05:05, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * An article that I re separated the original Olutosin Oduwole was deleted by FCYTravis during this discussion.   I was in the process of adding a lot more date and FCYTravis deleted it. Even without going thru the AFD.  The only one with flaming passions here is FCYTravis for not going thru AFD and doing a simple deletion which was ridiculous.  The reason why homosexuality is such a big deal to this user is that he is listed a member of the LBGT on wikipedia.  Nothing wrong with it, but that is why s/he is so empassioned. UnclePaco 05:15, 31 July 2007 (UTC)


 * UnclePaco, FCYTravis's identity is, in the case of this AFD, irrelevant. It does not matter.  That you brought it up was the only thing here that was ridiculous, and if you brought up homosexuality in order inflame FCYTravis, then you were trolling.  I suggest again that you drop it, and I further suggest that you simply do not reply to this.  --Iamunknown 05:21, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I brought up rock hudson to show how large an article can get based on allegations and no facts. He brought it to being gay not being a crime.  You should cease with the personal attacks.  Point BLANK! UnclePaco 05:36, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

ARticle was merged with SIUE and userfied onto my soapbox UnclePaco 05:06, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge per Flyguy. This was first an article purportedly about the would-be attacker, then was changed to this title. Quite frankly, unless he'd actually gone through with it, I don't see why it would deserve its own article. The words "alleged" and "plot" together make me nervous, in any case.--Sethacus 03:34, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge (i.e. copy and paste) and redirect as Flyguy, this is not presented an article, but as a news report, and I don't think much more could be added... --Iamunknown 03:54, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge I don't think its unreasonable that people will look here for information on this. Merge it into #SIUE and then we can expand it back out if there's ever more info, but this is a lot of refs for very little content. --Thespian 04:08, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - I've merged relevant info into Southern Illinois University Edwardsville. FCYTravis 04:27, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge it, it's nothing more than a stub now.Ravenmasterq 04:27, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Wikinews is elsewhere. Resolute 04:28, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete obviously; just not really noteworthy enough to have an article. Jmlk  1  7  05:07, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.