Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2008 State of the Union Address


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Delete.  Nish kid 64  01:07, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

2008 State of the Union Address

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This article is inappropriate for inclusion for at least another eleven months, and it seems to fails a grand total of three policies. First, it runs counter to What Wikipedia is not, because it is covering future events that don't have an adequate amount of information provided about them as of yet. Secondly, it contains original research (forbidden by no original research), because the article is based entirely on assumptions cobbled together from facts which haven't been connected by independent sources. Finally, the bulk of it is unverifiable, therefore (or is it thereby?) conflicting with verifiability. While some of the facts are verifiable, the ones directly about the speech are not.

It has prodded and deprodded by others. Finally, there are zero sources. While that isn't a reason for deletion itself, it's a sign this wasn't exactly written from published sources - backing up my previous three statements about the fact that it is in conflict with Wikipedia policy. Picaroon 17:34, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. There is absoloutley nothing that can be told about this speech now. Recreate next January. --Tone 17:55, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, per above. Phoenix2 18:06, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Besides, most of the article seems pretty obvious, so there's really no point in having it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.244.208.58 (talk • contribs) 18:13, January 24, 2007
 * Delete. Crystal ballism - the president does not always give a State of the Union address in the last calendar year of his term.  --Transfinite 18:28, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom --128.59.155.31 19:04, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete and recreate next year. --Daysleeper47 20:14, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete and recreate next year. --myselfalso 20:34, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Crystal ballism, no real information --Cadby (talk) 21:04, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. It seems fine as a template to me. Are we to delete articles on the 2008 presidential election and 2008 nominating conventions too? Edit away, but no real reason in my mind to delete.  However, if there's any possibility it won't occur, then delete. But I think it will since Bush is president until Jan. 2009. Certainly he won't give one in '09, but I'm nearly certain he will in '08, with a year left to go in his term.  Moncrief 21:07, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: but there is already verifiable, non-speculative information that can be posted about the election and the conventions. There is no way for anything to be written about the State of the Union address a year hence that cannot fail the Crystal Ball guideline. 23skidoo 19:47, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom --gwc 21:18, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per Moncrief -- hello, i'm a member  |  talk to me!  00:38, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Because of its "one year from now" nature, it can contribute no new information. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.182.78.230 (talk) 05:41, 25 January 2007 (UTC).
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 14:51, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your close attention to process, DumbBOT. Picaroon 20:25, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Way too premature. Impossible to write without loading with speculation, Crystal Ball, POV, etc. As noted by me above, there is no way to compare this to the 2008 elections or conventions, for which verifiable information is already available. We won't know anything about the 2008 speech until he gives it. 23skidoo 19:47, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete (for now) There's only one thing you can verifiably say about the 2008 state of the union address - currently President Bush is expected to deliver it. That's it.  You're not going to find any published articles about anything else worth saying about it yet.  Delete, and recreate in January 2008 when there is more published information to relay. Dugwiki 20:08, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. This entry doesn't require a placeholder. And it's weird. And crytsal ballish. -Caliwiki123 20:46, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:CRYSTAL, and don't forget the redirects. This article may easily be recreated at such time as the speech itself begins to get coverage, which is almost never before fall. --Dhartung | Talk 22:21, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per Dugwiki. The only thing we can say for certain is that it will happen. We can't even guarantee right now (given the vagaries of life) that Bush will be the speaker. -- Charlene 00:03, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment This article does not violate the "not a crystal ball" policy, which allows a future event "if the event is notable and almost certain to take place. If preparation for the event isn't already in progress, speculation about it must be well documented. Examples of appropriate topics include 2008 U.S. presidential election, and 2012 Summer Olympics." The State of the Union address, mandated by the Constitution, is as certain to occur as the presidential election, and will take place months earlier. It garners press coverage worldwide and so is obviously notable. Fg2 01:39, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Very good points. In order for your vote to be counted as Keep, please change your vote from "Comment" to "Keep." And a poorly written article isn't an excuse for deletion, in my opinion, if the subject itself deserves a page. Bad articles can always be edited. Moncrief 04:05, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete. I agree with the comment made before: this is still a notable event that doesn't violate any policy about future events. There just isn't enough information to make an article on it yet. ShadowMan1od 01:53, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as a crystal ball article.--Jersey Devil 04:35, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.