Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2008 US dollar Speculative Attack (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. ( X! ·  talk )  · @240  · 04:45, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

2008 US dollar Speculative Attack
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I believe it is in error in two key areas and is therefore inaccurate and misleading: first (and most importantly) the sole source, Paul E. Kanjorski did not call it a speculative attack. It was, he said, an "electronic run on the banks". Second, the date specified in the article (September 11) was not the date that Kanjorski was referring to. As he states in the referenced C SPAN interview, it occurred on a Thursday, though he gives the date as "about September 15". As the New York Times reported in October 2008, there was a run on the banks which occurred during a "36-hour period ... from the morning of Wednesday, Sept. 17, to the afternoon of Thursday, Sept. 18 — that spooked policy makers by opening fissures in the worldwide financial system." There is enough good information about the financial crisis to warrant removal of this piece.
 * Procedural keep. If the only concern is accuracy (not a hoax, and the article is verifiable and notable), then AfD is not the proper venue. Tim Song (talk) 18:20, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't claim it is a hoax, I believe it is a mis-read of the news. What is the procedural alternative to deletion? Re: The comment below, there is already a NPOV discussion of this event on the Kanjorski page.Verne Equinox (talk) 01:39, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Be bold and edit it. But given the circumstances, I'm persuaded that the current version is totally worthless and that the title is PoVish and misleading. As such, delete. Tim Song (talk) 20:26, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Insufficient notability to meet guidelines. Perhaps a mention in Paul E. Kanjorski's article would be okay. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:46, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions.  -- tedder (talk) 23:46, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Conspiracy theories-related deletion discussions.  -- tedder (talk) 23:47, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

As far as I can see this is the first, not the second, nomination for deletion of this article. __meco (talk) 08:59, 3 August 2009 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:59, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: It was proposed for deletion on February 14, 2009 Verne Equinox (talk) 01:33, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete The article is original research and POV. The title itself is a creation and very misleading.  The article implies that someone launched some sort of electronic attack or purposefully engineered an attack on the financial markets on that day and it simply isn't the case.  Not much there to salvage even if the title were good.  An article on the money market "crisis" in fall 2008 would be better started from scratch than from this stub. Drawn Some (talk) 00:28, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Just add reliable sources (if you can). Dr. Szląchski  (talk) 03:49, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. The term "attack" is POV and was not used by Kanjorski.  As Verne Equinox points out, Kanjorski's page already discusses this, and the title of the present article isn't even a plausible redirect.  ReverendWayne (talk) 13:18, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete 
 * The lede refers to 11 September. Wrong date
 * The body references 150 billion, but the source said 105 billion.
 * Both of the above are correctable, but go to show the editor(s) haven't taken any reasonable care to be accurate
 * The title uses the term "attack". Not warranted.
 * The title and text call the attack "speculative". No a scintilla of evidence supporting this significant claim.
 * Only two references, and I cannot find evidence that the second is related to this incident
 * No evidence cited that this was an attack on the dollar per se as opposed to a general financial action, leaving the only accurate part of the title that something happened in 2008-- SPhilbrick  T  17:54, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete: Per WP:OR. Joe Chill (talk) 21:58, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per Sphilbrick Little Professor (talk) 20:48, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.