Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2008 University of Central Arkansas shootings (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Courcelles 23:45, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

2008 University of Central Arkansas shootings
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Not notable shooting. This is still just a local crime story -- there is nothing of encyclopedic value here. Night of the Big Wind talk  14:00, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep. Article already survived AfD. Nominator just nominated a bunch of school shootings for deletion while giving no policy based reason. The primary notability criteria is the existence of significant coverage in reliable sources, which this are present in this article. Marokwitz (talk) 14:09, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 16:23, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Arkansas-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 16:25, 1 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep on procedural grounds without thorough review I'd like to see some specifics related to this article from the nominator before it goes through this whole process.  Large amount of nominations of shooting articles, with only boilerplate type wording (nothing indicating specific review of the article) given as the rationale. many of which clearly meet notability, North8000 (talk) 19:39, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * To me it looks like a run of the mill murder with two deaths and one wounded. There are hundreds of killings with that number of victims a day. How sad it is, it is not something special or notable. The article does not give (hints to) evidence of wider impact or far reaching consequences. The only difference with a gangland killing or drugs related killing is that the perpetrators are caught. Night of the Big Wind  talk  20:03, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - I agree we should keep this eve though it needs to be expanded and cleaned up. --Kumioko (talk) 20:54, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep needs expansion. but keep it.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:30, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. The event does not appear to meet the criteria set forth in WP:EVENT. There is no significant, on-going coverage outside of the local news area. Location (talk) 01:29, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:EVENT as it lacks nontrivial coverage outside the initial news cycle. Less than six months after the shooting, no one was discussing it anymore. The "keep" editors fail spectacularly to produce policy-based arguments - "We should keep it" and "It was kept at the last AfD" are arguments to avoid, not to use. –Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 04:28, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. Article is extensively sourced. A bunch of other good articles were nominated for deletion and all will result in the same SNOW KEEP. If this immature disruption continues I will go to ANI. That's a promise.-- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 04:59, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Ad hominem attack and threat without real arguments. Come back when you have them. Night of the Big Wind  talk  11:37, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note. See "College crime: a statistical study of offenses on American campuses By Ronald Barri Flowers" (2009), Page 50. The author refers to this shooting as "Notable". This is on-going coverage outside of the local news area. Marokwitz (talk) 07:07, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Procedural keep per WP:POINT. See diff (bottom addition). —Ynhockey (Talk) 15:44, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep: Per sources. SL93 (talk) 17:10, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I especially like these sources -, , (abstract from Google Scholar search engine - "... Shooting on the University of Central Arkansas Campus. On the Sunday evening of October 26, 2008, gunshots rang out through the University of Central Arkansas (UCA) campus. The shooting occurred outside of a residence hall where students often congregate. ...",  (Google Scholar news search abstract - "Accessed May 22, 2009. University of Central Arkansas now "safe" after campus shooting leaves 2 dead, 1 wounded. Fox News Web site. www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,444132,00.html. Published October 27, 2008. Accessed May 22, 2009. Myers AL. ...", and . SL93 (talk) 17:17, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  —• Gene93k (talk) 17:21, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.