Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2008 Villa Canales bus disaster


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. I'm persuaded by editors arguing that this article has sufficient sources to establish notability. And besides the nominator, I see no support for deletion. Liz Read! Talk! 05:15, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

2008 Villa Canales bus disaster

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Fails WP:EVENTCRIT. Only covered by WP:PRIMARYNEWS sources with no WP:SIGCOV. Thebiguglyalien ( talk ) 03:55, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events, Transportation,  and Guatemala.  Thebiguglyalien  ( talk ) 03:55, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep, a road incident in which 54 people are killed feels rather exceptional. Garuda3 (talk) 06:57, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Coverage sufficient to meet WP:GNG. And 54 fatalities. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:11, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - 54 deaths is a large amount, Covered by BBC News and Prensa Libre (Guatemala) so imho meets GNG – Davey 2010 Talk 18:16, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: The requirements for notability can be found at WP:N. You'll see that notability requires sustained coverage by secondary sources, which this subject does not have. It also requires compliance with WP:NOT, so WP:NOTNEWS may be of interest. You can find requirements for what sort of lasting effect gives inherent notability at WP:EFFECT. You'll notice that 54 people dying is nowhere near the type of effect that's expected for a topic to have presumptive notability. Any !vote that's based on the number of deaths or a brief instance of primary news coverage may be ignored by the closer per WP:DISCARD and WP:ROUGHCONSENSUS. Thebiguglyalien  ( talk ) 18:59, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The BBC News cite is a secondary source, Prensa Libre appears to be primary granted but still sources nonetheless. Well for any bus crash 54 is still a very high number. NOTNEWS and EFFECT are irrelevant here as is the rest of your comment that apparently tries debunking everyone's !votes.
 * Fact of the matter is the article is backed up by a secondary reliable source and a primary reliable source and there are higher fatalities than your normal average bus crash so imho with all this combined this is a notable accident. – Davey 2010 Talk 19:54, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Let's assume for a moment that the BBC article really is a secondary source. How does this article comply with WP:SUSTAINED and WP:NOTNEWS? Can I just create a new article for every event ever written about by the BBC? And what part of WP:GNG suggests that "54 people died" is in any way relevant? Thebiguglyalien  ( talk ) 21:27, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * It's clear we have very different opinions on this so will allow others to have their say – Davey 2010 Talk 22:00, 31 May 2023 (UTC)


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