Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2009 Belleville school bus beating


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. per WP:NOT \ Backslash Forwardslash / (talk) 06:16, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

2009 Belleville school bus beating

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This is basically a report of a piece of nasty schoolboy bullying (perhaps with racist overtones). Unfortunately that' s not particularly uncommon. It got some news coverage, but there's no evidence of political cultural results or any lasting impact. The article clearly fails WP:NOTNEWS.

I prodded this as an uncontroversial deletion (so I thought), but it appears someone wants it kept. Scott Mac (Doc) 01:47, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions.  -- Eastmain (talk) 01:54, 5 November 2009 (UTC)   Sorry – Belleville, Illinois, not Belleville, Ontario -- Eastmain (talk) 02:09, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  -- Eastmain (talk) 01:54, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete. According to WP:N/CA, we need to see significant coverage in sources with national or global scope to show notability. I don't see much coverage outside of St Louis, so I don't see that this article meets the guideline. Kevin (talk) 01:57, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions.  — Eastmain (talk) 01:58, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. This article reports that the incident was picked up on by the Drudge Report and by Rush Limbaugh, suggesting that it is a national story. -- Eastmain (talk) 02:09, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * So what? Dozens, probably hundreds, of stories hit the networks, nevermind online sources every single day. A much smaller number will have the lasting significance to make them encyclopedic. Can you show any evidence of durability beyond the usual news cycle here? WP:NOTNEWS should not be subverted simply by saying "ah, but this really was news". We need something more.--Scott Mac (Doc) 02:19, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete event of fleeting (and primarily regional) importance -Drdisque (talk) 03:05, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep: I have no plans to expand the article, but there is plenty there to do so if an editor chooses.  The strongest reason to keep it I feel is the involovment of the NAACP in the aftermath.  I don't know that much about it, but I hear it was pretty significant. -OberRanks (talk) 03:08, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete We need to create a WP:NOTLOCALNEWS essay which branches off WP:NOTNEWS. These stories happen all the time, the kids were rightfully expelled and charged and life goes on. No further sources and it probably won't go further than the initial burst.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 05:35, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Wikipedia is not the news. Wow, if we had an article for every incident of racial violence that got noticed by the national press, I'd start nominating them myself. Mandsford (talk) 16:04, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * To that end, we would have an article on 2009 Floral Park robbery incident, or 2009 Orange mobile home park shooting incident or 2009 Bismarck cat theft and fish murder incident . After all, they've all had articles written on them, right? -Drdisque (talk) 17:38, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Someone is probably saying, right now, "Hey, that's a good idea" Mandsford (talk) 21:48, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete WP:NOTNEWS  Lugnuts  (talk) 19:05, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of News-related deletion discussions. Thryduulf (talk) 20:03, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Deleteper WP:NOT and for failure of WP:N. Edison (talk) 20:32, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, but include a brief account of the event in Belleville, Illinois and/or in a new article (to be created) about the Belleville school system. Nothing I've read indicates that this is anything more than a news story that is of fleeting interest outside of the local area (something to fill the pages on a slow news day, not a notable event to memorialize in an encyclopedia). --Orlady (talk) 05:16, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Most murders aren't covered on Wikipedia, and assaults are even more commonplace. Some coverage in the current affairs network does not mean a lasting impact. WP:NOTNEWS applies in this case. Sjakkalle (Check!)  12:36, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete not notable.  The Four Deuces (talk) 07:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTNEWS. Please note that the incident involved minors and has the potential to be a BLP nightmare. --Jmundo (talk) 03:27, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. Limbaugh has made this into national news. See this from CBS News: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/03/opinion/main5508478.shtml -- Eastmain (talk) 04:09, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * And I'm sure he'll talk about it until the next racial incident comes along. Mandsford (talk) 13:49, 9 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete. This is a minor incident of school bullying which excited some local Neo-Nazis, but didn't get significant coverage beyond a burst of stories in the St. Louis press. Definitely covered by WP:NOTNEWS. That CBS opinion piece is all about Rush Limbaugh's obsession with race, with the bus story as one of many examples, so it does not count as significant national coverage. Fences  &amp;  Windows  00:56, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Kids fight on school buses. No lasting notability. ~YellowFives 06:43, 10 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep, seems notable based on press coverage. Everyking (talk) 08:16, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per the above rationales concerning WP:NOTNEWS.  Them From  Space  19:28, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.