Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2009 CONCACAF Beach Soccer Championship squads


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was DELETE.  Spinning Spark  16:49, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

2009 CONCACAF Beach Soccer Championship squads

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Incomplete list of players, with no prose and no citations. Fails WP:NOTSTATS and bordering on WP:LISTCRUFT. Similar to a previous AfD - 2013 Cyprus Cup squads JMHamo (talk) 13:46, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. JMHamo (talk) 13:47, 25 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Oppose. This article, while incomplete, does no harm to anybody or anything.  The material presented is factual and uncontroversial.  Is it notable?  To a small group of devotees of a small sport, it is.  To delete it and similar articles is to delete a bit of human history that should be preserved.  Deleting it serves no useful purpose whatsoever. I suggest you read Common sense Smallchief (talk  14:14, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment Per WP:NOHARM - ...articles that do not conform to our basic tenets (verifiability, notability, and using reliable sources), keeping them actually can do more harm than one realizes – it sets a precedent that dictates that literally anything can go here. JMHamo (talk) 14:19, 25 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete - incomplete list of non-notable players, serves no purpose. GiantSnowman 18:58, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete - Contravention of WP:NOTSTATS due to complete lack of sourced prose. No indication that the subject of the squads in this interation of the tournament attractsed anywhere near the level of significant reliable coverage to satisfy WP:GNG. Lack of notable subjects in the listing as per WP:NFOOTY means this is hardly a useful navigation tool either. you may wish to compare their comments to WP:PPOV. Fenix down (talk) 09:56, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Not being a wiki wonk, I don't know the buzz words to use when discussing "policy." My interest is contributing content to improve wikipedia.
 * I don't have any interest in beach soccer or this article specifically. My concern is broader.  Certain people are attempting to delate all articles which list the participants in international sports tournaments.  This came to my attention in the deletion discussion concerning 2013 Cyprus Cup squads, which seemed to be an accurate and well-done article about an important international tournament for national women's soccer teams.
 * With three favoring deletion and two against, a decision was made to delete 2013 Cyrus Cup squads "by consensus." The precedent established, other similar wikipedia articles about other sporting events are now being proposed for deletion.
 * I haven't edited any of the articles proposed for deletion, but I find wikipedia articles listing the squads of teams to important international sports tournaments, such as the Cyprus Cup, to be both notable and useful. To delete them is to lose a useful source of information.  It seems senseless to me.
 * But what do I know? I just contribute what I hope is good-quality content to wikipedia -- and appreciate the work of others whose aim is to add to the sum of the world's knowledge rather than subtract from it. Smallchief (talk  11:08, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
 * You don't have to be a Wiki Wonk to know that an "I like it" / "it's interesting" argument is not going to be in line with any form of guideline, as if they were acceptable arguments it we would have articles on all sorts of random nonsense and notability guidelines would be wholly unworkable even at a high level. It's also important to understand that AfD is a discussion, not a vote. You should note that in the Cyprus Cup AfD, aside from an unsupported claim that the article met GNG, the keep votes did not cite any guidelines and so inherently carry less weight. Fenix down (talk) 11:02, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
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