Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2009 Germany earthquake


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Earthquakes in Germany.   A rbitrarily 0   ( talk ) 16:16, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

2009 Germany earthquake

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WP:NOTNEWS. No enduring notability. Not enough reliable sources to expand it into a verifiable article. Doesn't fit the proposed earthquake notability criteria. Aditya Ex Machina 14:49, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge Information has now been transferred to newly-created Earthquakes in Germany, so delete since the point of this seems to be that earthquakes are uncommon on that side of the Alps. Yes, it's a red blue link and there's nothing more to merge to yet .  Hint, hint.  Mandsford 16:49, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:09, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:09, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - a search in German finds sources and the information that this was the strongest quake in the region since monitoring began in 1955, making it a notable event. I have added some material and refs. Yngvadottir (talk) 20:58, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 *  Merge  per Mandsford........ Peridon (talk) 21:28, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * All done and dusted, so  Delete Redirect now per De728631. Peridon (talk) 19:49, 27 May 2010 (UTC) updated Peridon (talk) 22:08, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I appreciate that sources have been found, but reading them, it underscores to me why a merged page would make more sense than the practice of creating an article every time something happens. The translation of the first one includes this: "Similarly, there was strong shocks last on 24 January 2008 (3.0) and 12 December 2007 (3.2). Of damage is currently still unknown. The region is because of the mining industry time and again to small earthquakes.  As the mine in West Kamp-Lintfort notifies the earthquake through the underground mining in the height 573 in the seam Girondelle 5 in about 1200 meters deep has been triggered."  An article about quakes in Germany would put this into context-- the July 24, 2009 event (a 3.3!) would be put in perspective with the January 24, 2008 event and the one on December 12, 2007.  The second article refers to one that occurred on July 31, 2009, and actually says that the July 24 event was a 3.1, which would not be "the record".  It would make more sense, again, to mention all four of those, along with others before 2007, in an article not likely to be nominated or deleted.  As we've been saying a lot lately, the practice of treating each quake as its own individual article and then hoping that it won't get nominated is NOT working.  Mandsford 22:56, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, there is apparently disagreement among seismologists, or something. It's listed at 3.3 by the University of Cologne, but the state geologists say it was 3.1 in their bulletin on the aftershock of 31 July. (And the USGS preliminary assessment at 4.1, of course.) I took the list as definitive and did note the frequent small quakes, and their cause, which the geologists do seem to agree were the cause of the quake in question. If someone were to write an article on earthquakes in Germany, great. But until there is one, this quake does seem to have gone down as unusually large, and it has adequate coverage in reliable sources. I didn't check either newspapers or Dutch sources yet, but found 2 articles and an authoritative list already. It seems wrong to delete an event notable by our standards until there is an article it can be merged to. Yngvadottir (talk) 04:11, 24 May 2010 (UTC)


 * But it's so easy to create an article it can be merged to. A person would click on this red link (Earthquakes in Germany); follow the instructions to create the article by that name; mention the four events that can be sourced so far and then to add mention of other events dating back to 1955 or whenever.  Where the earthquake fans went wrong in the first place was in thinking in terms of "events" that must either be described in their own article, or not described at all.  Apparently some well-meaning person-- I'm guessing the person who made the infobox--  set that as a standard years ago, and others have followed it like lemmings marching up to the edge of a cliff.  The airplane crash people did that for years as well, before they ended up having so many articles deleted that they decided to try a different system.  Mandsford 16:30, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Be my guest :-) I know enough to know I would be way out of my depth attempting to cover the entire seismic history of the country, particularly since the sources make clear that the geology varies from place to place. This may be a starting point, but it's beyond me, sorry. Besides, that's not the issue. There is no deadline, we all contribute . . . this one article is on a notable event, it should stay, if there's going to be an omnibus article it can be rolled into, that's a separate issue. Maybe you'll write one today; maybe someone else will write one in 10 years. Whatever. Until that as yet nonexistent article makes its appearance - and regardless of what other articles on earthquakes, or airplane crashes, may be at AfD or have been at AfD - there is no reason to delete an article about a notable event, and the coverage establishes it is notable. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:31, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for pointing me to the German sources. I've gone ahead and created an article for this to be redirected to, with the information copied into it.  With the exception of a deadly earthquake in the area, all new such events can be added to the page Earthquakes in Germany rather than being made separate articles.  Mandsford 13:11, 25 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Earthquakes in Germany. De728631 (talk) 21:52, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete/Redirect to Earthquakes in Germany. This quake in itself is trivial and is a perfect example of the recent flood of Wikipedia articles about non-notable earthquakes. Thanks to Mandsford for created a good place to put such articles. --MelanieN (talk) 18:01, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
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