Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2009 Istanbul Molotov Bus Attack


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 23:12, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

2009 Istanbul Molotov Bus Attack

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A whole article isn't needed for molotovs being thrown at a bus. SɱαɾƚყPαɳƚʂ22 (Ⓣⓐⓛⓚ) 15:25, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:48, 6 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete - I do not see any clear significance of this event. Unfortunately, every killing does not warrant its own article. While this is arguably terrorism, I think it just amounts to a crime which resulted in the death of one person. There are undertones that the PKK may have been involved, but this appears more like an unfounded accusation which did not lead to any real action. Unless someone can show there is greater significance here, I have to vote delete. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia  talk  16:42, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Insignificant event. It didn't get in-depth coverage and it's not notable per WP:LASTING. Ahmetlii (talk) 20:12, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

"Insignificant event. It didn't get in-depth coverage and it's not notable per.." - This is not accurate. If you simply Google "Serap Eser" or specifically image search "Serap Eser" you will find so much publicity, news articles on the story, websites using pictures of her face. In fact looking at the "News" sections of Google the last time this was mentioned was in 2020 November by Turkey's state run news agency. This story is very well known in Turkey.

I think it just amounts to a crime which resulted in the death of one person. Two other Istanbul attacks that resulted in the death of one person: TataofTata (talk) 21:39, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Istanbul_bombing
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Istanbul_suicide_bombing

This event is still spoken about till this day, it was a supposed terrorist attack in Istanbul in 2009, as written it shows how later the former Interior Minister of Turkey stated that the turkish secret agency MIT was responsible of this. This event is used to accuse the PKK of being a terrorist organisation still to this day, while there is rumours the family has been silenced and kids who were in the area accused and wrongfully jailed. If you are unawares of what is going on, don't remove it, research it or stay out of the topic completely. This was a false flag operation and needs the story told. Whether one person died or 1000, it still matters, considering it was not a normal death or an accident, or a normal crime. People looking to research this story may find this page useful.--TataofTata (talk) 17:38, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:23, 6 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment Can I just clarify, on what policy grounds has this been nominated? "A whole article isn't needed..." etc. is not one I recognise. Thanks, --DoubleGrazing (talk) 20:54, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
 * It can be presumed that this was nominated under Notability (events). ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia  talk  12:35, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Quite right, it could indeed be presumed; after all, that's what AfD is mainly for. I was trying to make the point that when nominating, it would be help if the basis was expressly stated — maybe even cite the specific policy. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:47, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 00:24, 14 May 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 16:25, 22 May 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.