Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2009 Portland nightclub shooting


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:52, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

2009 Portland nightclub shooting

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Per WP:NOTNEWS and WP:EVENT. No lasting effects or national/global scope. Transcendence (talk) 18:58, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Weak delete: Could be instead mentioned briefly in the History of Portland, Oregon or in the crime section of Portland, Oregon. This shooting rampage did not kill that many people, and was not all that notable to begin with. I also know a few people from the Portland area and they seem to have barely remembered this event even occurring, so therefore it was not a very notable event. Cyanidethistles (talk)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Oregon-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:45, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:45, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete Like others, there is nothing in the article to suggest that this event was a "precedent or catalyst for something else of lasting significance", nor do any of the sources used demonstrate continued significant coverage so therefore fails the Wikipedia is not a newspaper policy and WP:EVENT guideline for a standalone article. The only thing that gave me pause on this was the clam that this was "the worst mass shooting in Portland's history" however this claim is only sourced to "authorities" and was made at the time of the event, it would appear not to have been repeated later so in and of it's self carries little or no weight. No bar on having a section in another suitable article.  LGA talk  edits   00:07, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete no evidence of everlasting significance since the shooting, fails WP:NOT. Secret account 02:05, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
 *  Keep . Comment. Press coverage (see list of references) is sufficient to justify notability of the incident. My very best wishes (talk) 21:38, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
 * That is press coverage that happened within a few days of what happened, press coverage disappears after that, which is a rather open and shut case of WP:NOT. Secret account 22:44, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I just changed my vote to "delete" in another similar article, however this particular case was described as "the worst mass shooting in Portland's history". I must admit that I am generally an "inclusionist" and do not see any harm from keeping articles like this.My very best wishes (talk) 23:52, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
 * But who said it was "the worst mass shooting in Portland's history" all I can see is that "authorities" did ? who are these "authorities" ? what is there to verify this claim ? has the claim been repeated ? If there is a good secondary source to that claim then it would add weight to it being significant but not as it stands.  LGA talk  edits   00:00, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree with LGA, an attack that killed only two people in a city of over 500,000 as the worst "mass shooting" in the city history is rather dubious. My condolences to the families of the victims of the attack aside, that sounds like an extraordinary claim that went though lazy or overly sympathetic fact checking by the news media. Secret account 01:30, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Indeed, simple Google search shows that such kind of murder-suicide is pretty common in Portland (changed vote). My very best wishes (talk) 02:34, 31 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete per NOTNEWS. I live just down the road from Portland, subscribe to and read the Portland Oregonian, and pretty much pay attention to local history. This tragic incident totally escaped my memory. It is not a seminal event of Oregon history in the same way that the Mulugeta Seraw killing was a seminal event, just by way of example. Carrite (talk) 17:45, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep, sources indicate notability. Everyking (talk) 04:10, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * As an admin, you should know that sources do not, in and of themselves, grant notability. Could you elaborate on your reasoning? FYI, you just copied and pasted the same thing on two other AfDs. Transcendence (talk) 07:35, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.