Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2009 Rostov-on-Don bus crash


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 22:34, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

2009 Rostov-on-Don bus crash

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2 years have now passed and so has the spike of coverage. as per WP:NOTNEWS. LibStar (talk) 06:45, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 13:36, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 13:36, 9 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge to Rostov-on-Don. There doesn't seem to be enough information to keep a separate article, but the information that is there easily passes WP:V and has decent sources--Stvfetterly (talk) 17:19, 9 January 2012 (UTC).
 * Merge per above - seems reasonable given the severity of the incident but the lack of WP:PERSISTENCE. - The Bushranger One ping only 19:21, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge or delete. Wikipedia is not the newspaper, and we need to enforce that more carefully.  Note "or", not "and", in my first three words.  Nyttend (talk) 00:10, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. 25 dead easily passes my notability threshhold for accidents. -- Necrothesp (talk) 00:27, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * where is this threshold as WP guideline? LibStar (talk) 00:41, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I said my threshhold. Always remember Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy. We debate issues - contrary to some editors' apparent belief, they are not decided by rules. If they were, we wouldn't have AfD discussions at all. Notability is subjective. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:58, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * but we don't invent notability criterion to suit debates we're involved in. LibStar (talk) 01:08, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * As I said, notability is subjective. It's my opinion, which I'm fully entitled to provide, just as you're entitled to provide yours. That's what you get in a debate. What part of this is confusing? What is notable to one person is non-notable to another. Wikipedia has no rules. Never has, hopefully never will have. That's why we have debates and not hard and fast rules implemented without debates by administrators. -- Necrothesp (talk) 00:49, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

so is 14 deaths in your notability threshold? LibStar (talk) 00:51, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. -- Necrothesp (talk) 00:55, 12 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep. This article describes this crash as one of the ten most significant events of 2009 in South Russia, and here's significant coverage published more than a year after the event. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:41, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep We are an encyclopedia, not a newspaper: we cover more than the events of the immediate present, and once they've become notable, they will always be. NOT NEWS is the relevant principle. It has to have a certain permanent importance to get an article in the first place, and then it's permanent.All of the NOYT restrictions have e positive sense, not just a negative one.  DGG ( talk ) 05:46, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Bryce  ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 13:20, 17 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep This is a difficult one, and it is not a very satisfactory article. But it was a big event, and if it had happened in North America we would not be having this discussion. As Necrothesp says, this is not a bureaucracy and too often articles come here because of questions over compliance with rules which seem fine when applied to contemporary US culture but without sufficient regard to differences in time or place. --AJHingston (talk) 14:55, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Per the above arguements - clearly notable, if this had happened in the UK, I reckon it would be on the frontpage under ITN.  Lugnuts  (talk) 19:27, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep notability is not temporary; once notable - always so. Here, it's even close; an accident killing 25 people is clearly notable. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:56, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.