Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2010 County Clare earthquake (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. This is a question of "It's below 5.0, so not notable" vs "It's unusually high for the general location". Clear consensus was not found, so I am closing it thus - but without prejudice against a speedy renomination, should that be considered desireable --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 18:27, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

2010 County Clare earthquake
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Now that the fervor is over I'll relist this debate. No casualties. Rest of article full of trivia. We normally don't even list them on 2010 earthquakes if they are below a 5.0 Marcus   Qwertyus   20:35, 27 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete This event may be a little unusual for Ireland but it falls well below the suggested guidelines for notability at WikiProject Earthquakes. Mikenorton (talk) 21:11, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. This seems to me a inclusionism vs. deletionism question. Some people may find it notable that this was the first earthquake recorded in this region. Personally, I wouldn't mind keeping it, but I abstain. Nageh (talk) 11:11, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. Also see 2002 Dudley earthquake. Scale 4.7, no injuries, still article on it. Nageh (talk) 11:19, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete I've not looked at the project notability requirements before (which it fails all of), but it seems entirely non-notable – there are 1000 earthquakes of this magnitude every day, and it's not clear why this one is interesting.-- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 13:21, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Would you then also AfD the other article I mentioned above? (And probably more... Just curious here.) Nageh (talk) 14:02, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * No, as I've had no reason to look at that article (I do nominate articles, but only after coming across an article for some other reason). I'm sure someone will get round to it if it needs nominating. As far as this article is concerned that is covered by WP:WAX, and this discussion is about this article only.-- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 14:26, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:47, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:47, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Notable event. Articles of similar earthquakes haven't been deleted so neither should this one. However, better sourcing would be appreciated. Zane Murphy (talk) 13:27, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Not again. I tolled you way I left this on in the frist place. I have family in that part of Ireland and they tolled me the night which the quake struck that they felt it. This is a big event in Ireland's geography. Yes earthquakes of this magnitude happen over 1000 times a day in the world were there is fault line but not in Ireland and a spicily in County Clare were there is little known about earthquakes in that part of Ireland. I like and I say it again to keep it on here as a record of this event and if in the near further a bigger earthquake mint happen in Ireland may in that area. I now in the past were a small quake has happaned and some 50 to 100 years later in the same a bigger earthquake struck. Is could be the case in County Clare earthquake. But then again it could be an known fault which I would a I on. Ryan Kirkpatrick talk) 16:46, 29 August 2010 (GMT)   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.3.133.123 (talk)
 * Very weak keep after reading this which states "The tremor was 10 times more powerful than the one which hit Co Donegal earlier this year" which was also unusual. Plus a representative from the School of Cosmic Physics calling it "very important", "there is no record in any historical archive of a tremor or earthquake before", "This event forces us to reevaluate the west of Ireland's geology", etc. due to broken records, never having happened before, etc. The "project notability requirements" link mentioned above took me to a talk page/user page which seems to facilitate "common sense" but even so does state  And the West of Ireland is not a county - it is many of them. "Large enough" is open to interpretation depending on your position in the world/universe. --  can  dle • wicke  04:03, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep - The weakness of Irish earthquakes is itself notable. Some hi-tech chipmaking by laser plants are here because of the stablility of the soil (if nothing else!). Besides not much ever happens in Clare now that matchmaking is dying out.Red Hurley (talk) 11:49, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - Well below notability guidelines for Earthquakes. It seems that nobody would have known about it but for sophisticated measuring equipment. 0 deaths, no injuries, no damage, a few people woke up when they heard a loud bang then went back to sleep; now that's not notable! Snappy (talk) 10:32, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Although only 2.7 magnitude, this quake is notable for being the first ever recorded seismic activity of any kind in the area. It caused quite a stir with the locals. Earthquakes like this happen every single day in some parts of the world, but in Ireland they are extremely rare. Justmeagain83 (talk) 03:15, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete This article is the poster child for the recent proliferation of worthless articles about trivial earthquakes. No way is this worth an article. Such minor quakes happen all the time, all over the world; this one was probably not even felt except by instruments. Question for those who claim that minor earthquakes are notable if they occur someplace that doesn't get many earthquakes: Thunderstorms are unusual here in San Diego where I live. They almost always make the news when they happen, and everybody talks about them for days. In other parts of the country, thunderstorms are an everyday occurrence. Would a San Diego thunderstorm be worthy of a Wikipedia article, on account of its rarity and news coverage? That's pretty much the argument that people make when they say "well, yes, it was a minor earthquake, but it was unusual for the area." For that matter, it snowed here once, back in the 1940s - up to an inch in places. That inch of snow would certainly be worth an article, 1948 San Diego snowstorm, under the standards that are being proposed here for earthquakes. How about it, shall I write the article 1948 San Diego snowstorm? --MelanieN (talk) 01:26, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment And before you all get too excited about "the largest earthquake ever recorded!", "first ever recorded in the area!", etc., please note that records have only been kept since 1978. So the correct description is "largest earthquake in more than 30 years."--MelanieN (talk) 01:31, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep: A notable event. - Ret.Prof (talk) 02:16, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Please note WP:ITSNOTABLE. — Mike moral  ♪♫  23:06, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. Of relevance here is WP:EVENT and WP:NOTNEWS which require news events of this kind to receive coverage and impact for inclusion. Even if the coverage exists, the impact here certainly doesn't. In fact, the event is known only for it's low impact. It therefore fails the relevant inclusion standards.--Mkativerata (talk) 04:42, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep because of the unusual geographical location, which makes it significant.   BTW, an article on the San Diego snowstorm of even one inch would be notable  .  DGG ( talk ) 05:32, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete in agreement with Mkativerata. My search doesn't show any later coverage. In fact, it seems to be more of an earth tremor. A non-notable event, that has received no coverage since it happened. I would point out the Wikiproject's criteria don't seem applicable when they're stuck on the talk page and debated. Bigger digger (talk) 17:14, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I should point out I try to come to these as a keeper, I don't like deleting editors' hard work, but there just isn't the in-depth coverage in reliable sources I need to find to support that position. The keeps suggest that it was a big deal in parts of Ireland, but then where is the material to support that? At the moment there are just assertions. Bigger digger (talk) 17:18, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.