Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2011–12 Syracuse Crunch season


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The result was   delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:48, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

2011–12 Syracuse Crunch season

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While team-on-such-season articles are common, this is the only one for the AHL. Add the fact that minor league hockey isn't all that notable, don't think it will become a precedent. igordebraga ≠ 23:15, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ice hockey-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 04:00, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 04:00, 4 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep: I rather expect that several hundred sources could be found for any such season, of the same type and quality that bolster season articles for NHL teams. I agree that most hockey fans don't consider the minor leagues as notable as the NHL, but the GNG doesn't operate on such subjective gradations.  As far as the AHL goes, there are league season articles, the Hershey Bears have a seasons article, but even stipulating the nom's assertion that there are no such other articles for AHL teams, that is no valid ground under WP:Deletion policy to delete.   Ravenswing   06:30, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * List of Hershey Bears seasons is reasonable (the team's history goes back to the '30s), as could be List of Chicago Wolves seasons. However both this and 2012–13 Hershey Bears season seem like too much, given they're the only "AHL team season" articles. igordebraga ≠ 23:50, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * What makes them -- in policy terms -- any more "too much" than season articles for any other sport or level?   Ravenswing   01:34, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The Notability policies state that "individual seasons of teams in top professional leagues" and college are acceptable, but Wikipedia is not a Stats Directory. Maybe it's more adequate for a site like the Ice Hockey Wiki (which proving the lack of notability, has individual season pages for NCAA teams, but not AHL ones). igordebraga ≠ 01:28, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 03:08, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep: - Nom does not give a valid reason to delete this article. The team, league, and season are all notable, and it is certainly acceptable for Wikipedia to keep a properly sourced article on this subject. Dolovis (talk) 21:50, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep: - Per Ravenswing and Dolovis. -- Hockeyben (talk - contribs) 17:23, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete Considering the Notability_(sports) guidelines mention that individual season pages of lower levels only may (emphasis mine) be notable and that season pages should be mainly of well-sourced prose (emphasis in original) and considering that this page is simply a listing of stats, I don't think it adds anything of great value to the project.  I did do a quick search and, in my humble opinion, I don't see enough sources to create something substantial or more than simply a listing of stats.  And considering I don't think that individual team AHL season pages are inherently notable, the burden of proof to show notability should be on a creator/editor/writer of the page.  As always, I am willing to be swayed if someone wants to take up the challenge.  Ravendrop 01:12, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete as lacking in depth coverage in reliable sources as required by the WP:GNG. If such sources get added to the article, feel free to ping my talk page. Stuartyeates (talk) 04:01, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete Per Notability (sports) only top level leagues would have individual season for their teams. In this case the NHL. It also goes on to mention that the pages should be mostly prose. In this case it is pretty much only stats. Fails to meet the requirements. -DJSasso (talk) 13:46, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - I agree with Djsasso and Stuartyeates. Hey  mid  (contribs) 13:56, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete Per Djasso.  Rcsprinter  (lecture)  @ 11:11, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
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