Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2011 ITF Women's Circuit: Mumbai


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The result was DELETE. postdlf (talk) 18:40, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

2011 ITF Women's Circuit: Mumbai

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I have never seen such a poor article with bias. Anyway, this is for a 10 K tournament, Wikipedia, do not do these types of pages for tournaments of this value. We draw a line with the challengers and any joint woman's tournament with the challengers. We do not create articles for what is essentally a bunch of non notable people, if this article stays then we might as well do every tournament that the ITF/ATP and WTA sanction. Creating endless pages of crap KnowIG (talk) 09:16, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete, notwithstanding overuse of the phrase "I have never seen such a poor article" (three times so far today). However, this is already covered-- and covered better, in fact-- in 2011 ITF Women's Circuit.  Mandsford 17:04, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete – I've seen many articles worse than this, and I'm not detecting bias. However, unless there's a general agreement that ITF events are notable (doesn't sound like it), the article is on a non-notable topic and should be deleted.  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 01:10, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:06, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:07, 24 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - It is necessary to keep pages on the women questions (... and also women sports). There is a considerable cost to the encyclopedia to eliminate its pages....Wikipedia has a serious deficit of female readers and female editors, and that is a problem, and this sort of thing doesn't help (references Wikipedia: This is a man's world, Where Are the Women in Wikipedia?. It is necessary to preserve this page and to improve it. Thanks, --Geneviève (talk) 17:46, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
 * This is not the place nor the time for some feminist/gender marking arguement. KnowIG (talk) 17:54, 24 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment Sorry,It not feminist position...It is necessary to write on sports so women as men. The different Tennis tournaments include men and women. Best regards and thanks for all your support. --Geneviève (talk) 18:03, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes I get your point, hence if you really want to go treking but i'll advise against it and you'll assume good faith here. I am a male and an advocate for gender netural stuff. E.g. when we have men's challengers which are a joint tournie I am the one who pushes people into including the women on these articles. However the gender of the subject is not what I am worrying about. The point is we have so many tournaments by the ITF/ATP and WTA each year that doing tournament pages and draw pages would be a very bad idea for all of them and we need to draw the line somewhere. So we do with the challengers on the men's side which go from 50k to 100k in money. So on the womens I don't have a problem with individual tournament pages if they are between 50 and 100k. And if someone wants to do a general tournament page for these smaller ones I won't object, but I do object to these yearly pages for the small ones as most of the players involved and the tournaments themselves are not notable. Mean the Bournemouth tournament on the ITF tours hardly gets a mention in the local rag. KnowIG (talk) 18:11, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:59, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * CommentThanks to explain your opinion. I have a suggestion: why do not to merge in a one single page (.... Asia tennis women Tournements ), the following pages 2009 ITF Women's Circuit- Delhi, 2009 ITF Women's Circuit- Delhi – Doubles, 2009 ITF Women's Circuit- Delhi – Singles, 2010 ITF Women's Circuit- Hatyai, 2011 ITF Women's Circuit: Mumbai . I notice that all there pages are proposed for deletion !!! The best way: Merge all the pages in one page. Bonne chance, --Geneviève (talk) 19:03, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
 * To some extent, they are well covered in 2011 ITF Women's Circuit, 2010 ITF Women's Circuit and 2009 ITF Women's Circuit. Certainly, I don't want to see any contributor discouraged from contributing to Wikipedia, and you are correct that Wikipedia has fewer female contributors (and for that matter, very few contributors from India).  I can describe the average Wikipedian in three words-- "American college boy", usually a guy in his early 20s, who didn't read the newspaper until after 2000, pretty much reads the sports section only, and who has never set foot out of the United States.  I used to be one of those, thirty years ago.  However, I don't see that these were nominated because they were women's tournaments or because they were played in India or Thailand.  The overwhelming majority of this year's 500 events on the ITF Men's Circuit are not notable enough for their own article.  Most $10,000 ITF tournaments are not notable at all.  The $10K ones have a purpose, because the winners increase their rankings and their chances to play in $25K, $50K, $100K tourneys, and then to the really big WTA and ATP tournaments.  But there are hundreds of tournaments every year, and they aren't all worthy of an article.  Mandsford 20:22, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Keep due to problems with the nomination. This article may be about a not particularly notable tournament, but it doesn't have any problems with bias, and looking at the edit history, I don't think it ever did. And saying that one "has never seen such a poor article" seems like a gross exaggeration. The page can be renominated later if it is determined that the article cannot be improved. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:39, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The nomination may have been overly dramatic, but as others have pointed out, there's no indication that this, one of the hundreds of $10,000 ITF tournaments this year, is at all a notable event. That would still be true whether the article or the nomination were to be reworded. The comments of the rest of us shouldn't be disregarded merely because of one person's choice of words.  Bad writing is not a reason to delete, nor to keep.  Mandsford 17:22, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Strong Delete there are usually never ITF tournaments articles and I think Wikipedia doesn't have any, because the ITF tournaments are the lowest tennis tournaments. Also the prize money is only $10,000; the lowest for any tennis tournaments, even for ITF. Strong delete.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 17:04, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete This level of tournament is simply not notable. Even the 100k level tournaments seldom receive substantial coverage even at a local level.  That said, there is clearly no bias in the article and I do not know where that assertion came from.  Ravendrop 01:10, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
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