Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2011 Southern California power outage


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The result was   keep. clear consensus. Not news has a fuzzy boundary, ad the community has to decide when it applies; they have clearly decided for this one.  DGG ( talk ) 19:10, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

2011 Southern California power outage

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 * Note: The article was renamed to "2011 Southwestern United States blackout" on September 10. —Bagumba (talk) 00:52, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

According to WP:NOTNEWS Wikinews can cover this topic of present news coverage — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sehmeet singh (talk • contribs)
 * Keep. Major event, significant coverage, and we will be seeing long term fallout ("unprecedented power outage" - |breaking|text|Frontpage). As per Category:Electric power blackouts articles of much smaller blackouts have been deemed notable. jorgenev 16:22, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Already in its own section at San Diego Gas & Electric, which is the appropriate place.  Although many people were impacted by the power outage, it appears to fall under WP:NOTNEWS for a standalone article. 72Dino (talk) 17:21, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * It deserves its own article because there is so much to be written about it that would not appropriately fit in the article for the company; things such as the huge sewage spill it caused, the traffic foul-ups , school cancellations , the worries about people trapped in theme park rides and the diplomacy issues about mistakes in the U.S. grid bringing down the grid in mexico are important, but would be extraneous information for the San Diego Gas & Electric article. jorgenev 17:33, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
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 * Weak Keep Small compared to the biggest outages, but probably will remain wp:notable because of the nature of it. Another outage caused by the dumbness of the supposed "smartness" built into these. North8000 (talk) 17:58, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable event with significant coverage. Johnfos (talk) 05:15, 10 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Question I was there when the blackout happened, I don't think this should be on Wikipedia. I already made an article about this on Wikinews: Southwestern US and Mexico affected by Blackout. Consider moving this to the page on Wikinews, it's sources may make the news more reliable.--JC Rules! (talk) 07:47, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep - clearly passes WP:GNG per significant coverage in multiple major reliable sources: NY Times, LA Times, Wall Street Journal, San Francisco Chronicle, Washington Post, Bloomberg, & San Diego Union Tribune. There are many other highly regarded reliable sources, if one need more evidence that the event passes WP:GNG. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 16:10, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Also Strong Keep Based on sources in post above. -- FaithLehaneThe  Vampire  Slayer  17:56, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Lasting WP:IMPACT of being the largest blackout in California history. —Bagumba (talk) 18:19, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep as the outage is the subject of a federal investigation. -- Cameron Dewe (talk) 03:13, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep It was the largest power outage in California history. According to the Los Angeles Times, over 4 million people were impacted for over 10 hours. VERY notable. AlaskaMike (talk) 16:55, 11 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Notable unprecedented power outage that affected two countries. 7 million people were affected. It recieved multiple secondary source coverage from major national news organizations.-- JOJ Hutton  22:15, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge to 2011 Southwestern United States blackout. The current title is inappropriate since parts of Arizona and Mexico were also involved. The latter article needs to be greatly expanded and updated, and I would encourage the people who have been working on this article to work on that one instead. --MelanieN (talk) 00:24, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 * They are the same; the page was moved. jorgenev 00:37, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, it was moved on September 10.—Bagumba (talk) 00:48, 12 September 2011 (UTC)


 * In that case, it's clearly a Keeper. This received international attention and had wide-ranging consequences. The article needs some updating -- which I just did. --MelanieN (talk) 02:57, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 * BTW in case someone is planning to say that blackouts are not notable, please see Northeast Blackout of 2003, Northeast Blackout of 1965, 2006 Auckland Blackout, 2003 Italy blackout, etc. In fact just see Category: Electric power blackouts. --MelanieN (talk) 03:31, 12 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep This article clearly passes the WP:GNG guideline. It receive coverage from major newspapers and international sources. Per WP:IMPACT it should also be kept. 08OceanBeach S.D.  03:13, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
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