Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2011 in kickboxing


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. None of the Keep votes give any policy-based reason for keeping, there is a major issue with users using these articles to avoid previous AfDs, and the articles are major NFCC violations. Black Kite (talk) 21:48, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

2011 in kickboxing

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Article is just a compilation of kickboxing results from various fight cards. There's no indication of notability--in fact, many of these were recreations of articles that were already removed. Examples include all of the SuperKombat events (especially since the organization was found not notable) at Articles for deletion/SuperKombat (3rd nomination), the United Glory fights (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ultimate Glory 11: A Decade of Fights), WAKO-Pro events (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wako-Pro World Grand Prix 2011: Romania vs Italy (2nd nomination), etc. There's no indication of notability--it's like listing an entire season of results for any pro sport--every event is not notable.  This seems like an attempt to get around the AfDs.

I am also nominating the following related page because it also just a listing of results with no indication of notability:


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Papaursa (talk) 02:18, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Comment- Would anyone consider this notable enough to divide it? 71.246.200.190 (talk) 04:26, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Not sure what you mean. Many of these were individual articles that were deleted via AfD.  In 2011 dozens of articles on kickboxing events were deleted as non-notable.  Many "It's Showtime" articles were also deleted last year, in addition to the examples I provided in the nomination.  Stringing previously deleted articles together doesn't make the resultant article notable. Papaursa (talk) 04:39, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Keep These events are notable in kickboxing. Why It's Showtime and K1 would be deleted when they are the biggest events of this sport? They are televised and broadcasted in multiple countries (including on Eurosport). --FavorLaw (talk) 07:53, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete both I don't see that any of these events pass WP:SPORTSEVENT. That's why so many of them were deleted when they were individual articles. Mdtemp (talk) 16:37, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment I find it interesting that these two articles were done almost exclusively by new users Thai Striker and Thai Land F. Both of these users started editing after WolffReik (who kept copies of deleted kickboxing articles in his user space) and his sockpuppets were indefinitely banned for numerous instances of sockpuppeting on the AfD discussions related to kickboxing. Mdtemp (talk) 16:37, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Keep These articles are there to stop small, individual pages for events popping up all over the place like the MMA articles. Also, only the most notable and significant kickboxing events are listed and are well sourced. Thai Striker (talk) 16:37, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Keep This page and the 2012 one are very well-written and make it very easy to find out what happpened and what will happen in Kickboxing every year. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 18:41, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment All that I see is a list of results, thus failing WP:ROUTINE. There's nothing that shows any of these events are notable. Papaursa (talk) 20:47, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete The articles contain WP:ROUTINE coverage of WP:SPORTSEVENT and Wikipedia is WP:NOTSTATSBOOK. Individually, none of the events pass WP:GNG as noted by their past individual AfD discussions. --TreyGeek (talk) 20:53, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Keep Biggest events of the year are listed on these articles. If you are tend to delete them, you MUST delete Kick Boxing, Muay Thai, and even Boxing, too. C'mon, dare it...
 * Delete both These events fail WP:SPORTSEVENT and WP:ROUTINE. In addition, many of them were previously deleted (as Papaursa pointed out).  I don't understand the previous editor's comment--why would deleting a compilation of non-notable events require the deletion of articles on well known martial arts disciplines? Astudent0 (talk) 17:57, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Comment These events do not fall under WP:SPORTSEVENT and WP:ROUTINE. They are not "run-of the-mill" or "everyday" events, only the biggest and historically significant events are listed here. If pages such as this are allowed, then why not the kickboxing pages? Also, what is the difference between these pages and the UFC events which all have single pages for each event? Thai Striker (talk) 20:27, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Since some of these events were deleted as individual articles it's already been determined that they fail WP:SPORTSEVENT and WP:ROUTINE. You're also using WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.  Frankly, if I were king I'd get rid of the UFC event articles that don't feature championship fights, but that's a battle I'm not starting. Papaursa (talk) 02:12, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Keep I subscribe: "Biggest events of the year are listed on these articles. If you are tend to delete them, you MUST delete Kick Boxing, Muay Thai, and even Boxing, too."! We must find an agreement considering some unimportant MMA organizations have even individual pages! This is also a sport and should be mentioned. The events are not listed, please accept it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thai Land F (talk • contribs) 08:56, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note I have removed the non-free images from the article. Regardless of whether the article is notable or not, galleries of non-free images in list articles are totally disallowed per WP:NFCC, WP:NFCC, WP:NFLISTS, etc. Black Kite (talk) 00:47, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.