Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2012 China anti-Japanese demonstrations


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The result was   speedy keep. Having read through this AfD multiple times, pondered long and hard, and considered the policy involved, I believe there is consensus enough to WP:SNOW close this as keep. General consensus is that the protests are notable and will be in the long term. I will also point out that if we applied WP:CRYSTAL against assuming long term importance of every current event then we could never create articles over "current" events; we would have to wait until "long term" had arrived to see if the event had lasting importance before creating an article. Ks0stm (T•C•G•E) 01:24, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

2012 China anti-Japanese demonstrations

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This article violates WP:NOTNEWS. Yes, these protests seem like big news right now--because we're living through the events. But at the moment, we have no way of knowing if they will be of lasting historical significance, which is what is required by WP:EVENT. Creating it now on the assumption that it will be of long term importance is WP:CRYSTAL. Wikinews is the proper place for covering ongoing events of indeterminate importance. Qwyrxian (talk) 10:36, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I would like to rebutt this. The demonstrations are part of the bigger Senkaku Islands dispute that started all the way back from April 15 this year,(Channel NewsAsia) when the Governor of Tokyo called to buy the islands. Throughout the duration, it has involved protests from Chinese in and out of Mainland China, increased military action from both countries and tensions between the governments. The incident has been reported through major Western news sources (see CNN and BBC), meets WP:GNG. It has been on the front page on major Chinese news sources (such as Sina News) for all these months. I don't see why, when it has received much more attention than the Xiaoyueyue incident last year (and across the globe too), that it does not deserve an article on its own when the 2012 diplomatic missions attacks does.  No News  !  10:44, 17 September 2012 (UTC)


 * If it's part of the bigger Senkaku Islands dispute, then it belongs there. As I stated, you must overcome the very big WP:NOTNEWS requirement. The easiest way to do this is the 10 year test--will these protests be notable ten years from now? I sincerely doubt it, and I don't see any evidence that they will be. Qwyrxian (talk) 13:40, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
 * It is not merely a few breaking news, it is a specific escalation of the dispute, a current series of events that has significantly affected the relations between the governments and the peoples of the two countries involved, possibly leading to consequences such as economic sanctions by China on Japan . It might even bring in the USA as well, because of the defense treaty the USA signed with Japan with regards to these islands, so it shows the importance of this incident in geopolitical terms.  No News  !  14:04, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
 * All speculation. All WP:CRYSTAL. Not at all encyclopedic. And, I should clarify what I said above--just because some of this information belongs in the Senkaku Islands dispute, most of it does not. Most of it simply does not belong anywhere on Wikipedia. We are not a newspaper. Period. We are most certainly not a propaganda site for the Chinese government. If the article should, God forbid, be kept, it must be trimmed. We do not give day by day breakdowns of current events. It is simply out of our remit. Qwyrxian (talk) 22:02, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, this protest will certainly pass the so called "10 year test", as least in my hometown Guangzhou. It is the first time that The Garden Hotel is damaged by mobs, and I'm sure that it is one of the worst mob violence so far in this city.--Jsjsjs1111 (talk) 07:42, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
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 * Keep, agree with User:Newfraferz87--Jsjsjs1111 (talk) 13:29, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep any time you can get (possibly) over a hundred thousand people protesting (and rioting) in several cities at the same time as part of the same event, it's notable. Doesn't matter what the country is or who the target is, the numbers speak.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  18:27, 17 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep or Speedy keep - very clearly notable, has been covered on television news, multiply-sourced, already has extensive Chinese/Japanese articles, no legitimate reason to delete or even merge. JoshuSasori (talk) 23:52, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Personally in recent years Wikipedia has been glossing over details, making a lot of the information here scant (I am native chinese, but I cannot read as I left the country as a small child. Finding an english site with any accurate detail has been tedious at best in the first few days of the protests). Simplifying the events into one paragraph in the Disputes page, or even completely ignoring them, is in of itself a violation of the idea of a online, user-edited encyclopedia (and let's not even get to the implications of propaganda from those actions). However I feel that the formatting of the page is very unprofessional. As mentioned before it should not be a day-by-day log of the events, but cleaned up to be one cohesive, properly written documentation of the events (and only documentation, not analysis). 24.150.183.102 (talk) 04:36, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. More important historical event than just a news article. jni (talk) 07:57, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep.There were the largest-scale anti-Japanese Demonstrations in China ,since PRC established the international relationship with Japan in 1972.--Langer Lee 10:31, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. Informs the phenomenology of September 2012 global unrest including 2012 Catalan independence demonstration and whatever the article about "Muslim Rage" should actually be called. (No agreement on a title beyond a hyper-specific 2012 diplomatic missions attack. They need help. ClaudeReigns (talk) 11:06, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Snow Keep I dont see any reason why this needs to be deleted, the protests in China are widespread so the article does pass per WP:EVENT. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 17:22, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
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