Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2012 Oneonta State Red Dragons women's soccer team


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Oneonta State Red Dragons women's soccer. SpinningSpark 22:25, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

2012 Oneonta State Red Dragons women's soccer team

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Complete season results and stats for an NCAA Division III women's soccer team. WP:NOTABILITY for collegiate teams says season articles for lower-level teams only might be notable in the case of a national championship. This fails to even meet this standard, as the team failed to win its conference title, let alone the national title. Skudrafan1 (talk) 18:19, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
 * For the same reason, I've added the following:


 * 2007, 2008 and 2010 teams won conference championships, but that in and of itself is still not enough to make these articles notable. Skudrafan1 (talk) 18:34, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
 * 2007, 2008 and 2010 teams won conference championships, but that in and of itself is still not enough to make these articles notable. Skudrafan1 (talk) 18:34, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
 * 2007, 2008 and 2010 teams won conference championships, but that in and of itself is still not enough to make these articles notable. Skudrafan1 (talk) 18:34, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
 * 2007, 2008 and 2010 teams won conference championships, but that in and of itself is still not enough to make these articles notable. Skudrafan1 (talk) 18:34, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
 * 2007, 2008 and 2010 teams won conference championships, but that in and of itself is still not enough to make these articles notable. Skudrafan1 (talk) 18:34, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
 * 2007, 2008 and 2010 teams won conference championships, but that in and of itself is still not enough to make these articles notable. Skudrafan1 (talk) 18:34, 12 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Merge – to Oneonta State Red Dragons women's soccer. A lot of work went into these articles and it's a shame to delete them, but according to WP:NSEASONS it has to be a national championship season or a national-level elite program, which this is not. And even then the article should not consist mainly of stats (WP:NOTDIR). I think the best thing to do would be to merge them all into one article with prose descriptions of each season. As a model, perhaps something like Albany Great Danes men's basketball, which the article creator has also worked on. – Margin1522 (talk) 19:49, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - However, Albany Great Danes men's basketball is a marquee sport at the highest level of college sports, NCAA Division I. No matter how much work has been put these articles, we're talking about a low-exposure sport at one of the lowest levels of college sports, NCAA Division III. Skudrafan1 (talk) 01:04, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment – OK, but just to clarify, in AfD discussions I try to say something nice about the article before !voting to delete it. Just to say that we do appreciate the effort that went into creating it. It's not a !vote to keep it because of that. Sorry if that caused any confusion. – Margin1522 (talk) 13:01, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
 * in AfD discussions I try to say something nice about the article before !voting to delete it. – thank you. This needs to be said more. Too many editors are dismissive of other editors' hard work and behave rudely and callously in mocking their work. Cunard (talk) 01:11, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
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 * Delete all – None of these articles meet WP:NSEASONS, and they also violate WP:NOTSTATSBOOK. I'm not even sure the team itself meets WP:NCORP, thus I cannot support merging these statistics into the only other article where they could be placed, especially since the pertinent information already exists in the article. — Jkudlick t c s 02:57, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment – Oh, IC, you mean it exists in Oneonta State Red Dragons women's soccer. Yes, that's a good merge destination. Unlike Albany Great Danes men's basketball, it currently lacks a History section, so the descriptions of the seasons could be merged into that. As prose, without the stats. About notability, in terms of participants soccer is now the major sport in women's athletics, the counterpart to men's football. A college should be able to have an article on its major program for women. This would be up to the sports projects, but if they don't have a rule like that they should. Of course coverage is important, but it's decisions like this that result in gender bias. – Margin1522 (talk) 13:01, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
 * You raise a valid point about association football being the predominant women's sport in the United States. That was in the back of my mind when I posted above, but I wasn't quite sure how to articulate it. Cheers! — Jkudlick t c s 00:09, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm inclined to agree ("A college should be able to have an article on its major program for women.") but not in this case. This is a very small college that plays at the lowest level of NCAA sports. College football (your male equivalent) doesn't even have season-by-season details for teams below the Division I level. And there are plenty of season articles for Division I women's basketball teams — which media coverage would dictate is the true major program for women. Skudrafan1 (talk) 04:53, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - per WP:NSEASONS. Fenix down (talk) 15:55, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete all - non-notable, and I see nothing worth merging. GiantSnowman 21:02, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect all to Oneonta State Red Dragons women's soccer (with the history preserved under the redirect). Redirects are cheap. AfD is ill-suited to determine whether material should be merged or not. The history should be preserved because even if not used in a merge, the rosters of athletes and might be useful to the creator,, and other editors in expanding Oneonta State Red Dragons women's soccer. One possibility: The rosters for each season contain the athletes' names. The names can be used in source searches to find more information about the team's history to add to the team's article. Since the content does not violate BLP or NPOV, it is harmless to retain it. As I wrote at Deletion review/Log/2014 July 19: "The only benefit of keeping the edit history deleted that I can see would be to prevent users from undoing the redirect and restoring the deleted content. But this is easily remedied by reverting the restoration and fully protecting the redirect. A benefit of restoring the article's history would be to allow non-admins to see what the encyclopedia once said about the subject. Using the deleted content for a merge is not the only benefit. Another example is that in the future if sources surface that demonstrate notability, the deleted content can be easily reviewed. Without needing to ask an admin, a non-admin could determine whether the deleted content could be used as the basis of a newly recreated article with the new sources. Deletion would hinder this. In sum, the benefits of restoring the deleted content outweigh the negligible negatives, so the article's history should be restored under the redirect." See Wikipedia talk:Deletion review (permanent link). Cunard (talk) 01:11, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete clearly fails WP:NSEASON as they do not play at the top collegiate level. Tavix | Talk  00:04, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
 * After further review, I agree that the subjects fail WP:NSEASON, so would support a redirect with no merge to Oneonta State Red Dragons women's soccer so the history is still available to the creator and any editor who will work on the Oneonta State Red Dragons women's soccer article. Cunard (talk) 00:39, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.