Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2013–14 United States Open Cup for Arena Soccer


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Secret account 17:41, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

2013–14 United States Open Cup for Arena Soccer

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Unimportant, unverifiable, organization using Wikipedia as an advertisment Fulner (talk) 20:14, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete - no evidence this is a notable tournament. The nominator might also wish to nominate related articles found in United States Open Cup for Arena Soccer. GiantSnowman 21:13, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep as tournament over the years has been the subject of in-depth coverage by multiple reliable third-party sources. Article is not written in the style or form of an advertisement and, while arena soccer is down from its "glory days" in the late 1980s, it's still an active professional sport with multiple leagues and extensive ongoing press coverage. - Dravecky (talk) 04:28, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep as this is an established tournament in it's sixth season, as indicated by the multiple wikipedia pages. This page is essential as the main and definitive source for this specific tournament, combining information directly from the League Commissioner and League Public Relations Director, and from social media like Twitter and Facebook that is difficult to source.   - Jnp7675 (talk) 16:32, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - the "official" tournament bracket link on the Professional Arena Soccer League website sends visitors to the Wiki page. I truly do not think the league media understand how to use Wikipedia, but they are not using it appropriately.TheScottDL (talk) 22:35, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 02:56, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

 
 * Keep as this is no more an "advertisement" as any other page which covers events of a current sports league season (i.e. NFL 2013) or tournament (FIFA World Cup 2014) which is updated as it progresses  - DallasHammster (talk) 06:14, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete – no credible policy-based rationale to keep. Having multiple Wikipedia pages does not establish notability. Dravecky above notes that the tournament "has been the subject of in-depth coverage by multiple reliable third-party sources", but there is no evidence to support this position. Current sports league seasons mentioned by DallasHammster have articles due to the extensive coverage, which doesn't seem to be the case for this season. Looking through the references I see blogs, Facebook pages and team sites. As TheScottDL mentioned above, even the "official" web page for this tournament seems to be using Wikipedia as a host for its results, in violation of WP:NOTWEBHOST. C 679 09:39, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment: While quoting me, you omitted the key phrase "over the years" as this year's tournament doesn't really get underway until this coming weekend with the bulk of the first two rounds' games played in December. (Also, at least a couple of the current sources are from major newspapers, not merely team sites and blogs.) - Dravecky (talk) 11:56, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SarahStierch (talk) 00:52, 5 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment – "over the years" is not up for discussion here, but while you mention it, it looks like none of the other tournament seasons nor the tournament page itself have established any kind of notability. I would also like to address Jnp7675's comment about this page being the "main and definitive source for this specific tournament, combining information directly from the League Commissioner and League Public Relations Director, and from social media like Twitter and Facebook" which looks like a textbook violation of WP:OR. C 679 08:57, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - while the tournament itself is notable and we should keep the parent article, I don't think this article is a notable WP:SPINOFF of the parent, and that everything that is worth noting about this season should be included in the parent article. Mentoz86 (talk) 10:15, 6 December 2013 (UTC)


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