Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2013 Great Britain and Ireland heat wave


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The result was no consensus. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 15:08, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

2013 Great Britain and Ireland heat wave

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WP:SYNTHESIS of anecdotal weather reports. No strong effects or WP:LASTING notability. Article itself states "However, in the general sense, Britain did not have an overall exceptional summer." Wikipedia is not the Weather Channel. On a positive note, retailers sold more barbecues. — JFG talk 11:08, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * It was very notable to the millions of people (including me) in Britain who suffered through the heat. And to the firemen on Saddleworth Moor. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 11:40, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * But was it unusual? Even Britain has a Summer, and it (briefly) gets hot.  I don't recall 2013 as exceptionally so, in the way of 1976, 1984, 2003(?) or 2018. Andy Dingley (talk) 11:52, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I was thinking of the 2018 heatwave. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:20, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, 2018 looks like a keeper, all over the Northern hemisphere. Tragedy in Japan and Greece, etc. This is exactly why non-notable summers should not have articles that drown the truly exceptional weather events into a murky "all summers are hot somewhere". For the UK, Summer 2003 and Winter 2009–10 come to mind, for all of Europe Winter 1990–91. — JFG talk 17:25, 9 August 2018 (UTC)


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 * Keep Sources speak of a temperature record. Records can fall the year after so they might not be lasting, on the other hand the US assures us that there is no global warming, so that can't be. Agathoclea (talk) 13:40, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep under Agathoclea's statement. 86.181.64.189 (talk) 06:19, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
 * — 86.181.64.189 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete - per nom. Wasn't a notably hot summer in my recollection, certainly no 2018. Spleodrach (talk) 16:03, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kirbanzo (talk) 01:35, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - Spleodrach just because you don't remember this notably hot summer, it isn't a valid reason to delete the article. 2013 was one of the more notably hot summers of the 21st century (so far). - RandomIntrigue 19 August 2018 22:59 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by RandomIntrigue (talk • contribs)
 * Delete per nomination. Most Keep suggestions seem based on personal experience and preferences, a pattern conforming to the article's equally weak sourcing. -The Gnome (talk) 08:09, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Sources and lack thereof : The first three links to the Met Office are resting in peace; the only Met link alive is an explanation of what is a "heat wave"; the next two links are to an enthusiast's personal blog, enticingly titled 'booty' (before you scamper over, they contain numerical data and nothing else); this Guardian article, cited as a source for recorded events, is a prediction about "hot weather in England and Wales," with "heat wave" only in the title, while in this Telegraph report, with "heat wave" again only in the title, we learn that "the temperatures are above average for this time of year"; we have a Guardian article that talks up a "heat wave", yet we also learn that the Met Office announced that the next day "would be dry with lengthy spells of sunshine and blue sky for England, Wales and southern Scotland, although it would be cloudier in north-west Scotland and Northern Ireland with the possibility of a few light showers". The rest of the sources follow the same hyperbolic pattern.
 * One news item appearing in most reports is the Met's characterization of the temperature situation as meriting a "Level 3 Warning," which is one below the maximum (and which may remind some people of terrorist-threat warning levels). However, these warnings do not concern "extensive" and "persistent" hot weather, or in other words a "heat wave." This level's warning is triggered when the Met Office confirms threshold temperatures for one of more regions have been reached for one day and the following night, and the forecast for the next day has a greater than 90% confidence level that the day threshold temperature will be met (sample source). And that's it. Hot weather in the UK. When was it not front-page news?  -The Gnome (talk) 08:09, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete – Hottest summer since 1997 isn't a record (that's less than 20 years). It had a "pretty exceptional summer", debunking all notability of this event. Similarly to all other heat waves, this one is not notable. Redditaddict69 17:20, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 08:52, 24 August 2018 (UTC)


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