Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2013 Irkutsk Antonov An-12 crash (2nd nomination)


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The result was   delete. Consensus to delete following relisting. The Bushranger One ping only 00:20, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

2013 Irkutsk Antonov An-12 crash
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WP:GNG, WP:NOTNEWS, WP:AIRCRASH, IT JUST ISN'T NOTABLE AS ANOTHER CARGO AIRCRAFT CRASH with no lasting consequences or changes to procedures, regulations etc. etc., no notable fatalities, no special cargo, absolutely nothing notable!! Petebutt (talk) 13:13, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
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 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 03:24, 22 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete Not notable cargo crash....William 10:55, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete Agree with nom, it simply is not notable. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:23, 24 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete - Although only an essay and not actually a guideline or policy WP:AIRCRASH is a statement of WikiProject Aviation, which advises the inclusion of crash articles which meet three criteria: (1) human fatality AND (2) hull loss AND (3) lasting importance in the form of changes to airline policies and procedures, etc. It also intimates that military crashes are to be presumed less noteworthy than civilian crashes. I think the advice of the work group as to what constitutes "ordinary" catastrophes (i.e., falling afoul of WP:NOTNEWS) and what constitutes a noteworthy event is helpful. If some sort of lasting significance on Russian aviation could be demonstrated, I could easily be flipped. Carrite (talk) 16:33, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
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