Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2013 World Rally Championship season


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:07, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

2013 World Rally Championship season

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It's too soon for this page to be created, and not nearly enough content to justify its existed. There is no final calendar for the season (and no major changes expected), and the team and driver table has almost no content. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 03:03, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 20:11, 4 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - Mid-summer is when the following season's racing seasons start getting serious discussion and consideration; while it might be a little early, WP:COMMONSENSE suggests that retaining the information, which would only need to be restored in about a month, is logical. In addition - although it's not explicitly stated, it's implied - this isn't crystal balling as "the event is notable and almost certain to take place" (CBALL #1). - The Bushranger One ping only 19:23, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - Given the troubles and the uncertainty that the WRC has faced, one could reasonably make a case for it being less than certain that the season will take place at all. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 22:36, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 03:19, 11 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete If it is not absolutely certain that this event will occur, then the speculation that "it will" automatically makes it WP:CRYSTALBALL and a deletion candidate. You can't wonder if an event will occur and not resort to conjecture.  Just because a "proposed" event may occur, and in this case makes it WP:IKNOWIT or WP:ILIKEIT, these descriptors mean very little to everyone else outside the loop and reinforce the deletion suggestion. Ren99 (talk) 07:08, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Per WP:CRYSTAL which states "Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place."  Lugnuts  (talk) 08:50, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - Noted from above: Given the troubles and the uncertainty that the WRC has faced, one could reasonably make a case for it being less than certain that the season will take place at all. We would really have to have confidence that the events will occur before scheduling and including them in encyclopedic format. We face the WP:WAX issue of "X happened, therefore Y must be occurring as well."  There is no guarantee that X season (2012) will result in Y season (2013)  Once they finalize the events, participants, and scheduling, then you have a point for inclusion. Яεñ99 (talk) 10:39, 11 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep since previous seasons are on WikiPedia. If the 2013 season doesn't pan out, it seems that failure itself might be notable enough to base the article around? Maybe mention in either this article or the main World Rally Championship page some of the troubles facing this season? --VikÞor |  Talk 12:53, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Possibly relevant re: survival of the WRC. - The Bushranger One ping only 17:14, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment The article points out the there is no sponsor currently, and that the organization is "poised" to have another sponsor soon. However, horseshoes and hand grenades being what they are, until something lands in the "Yes" category, we have to conclude that "No" is just as likely.  In the event of two answers, it is not prudent to announce something that may never occur.  Sort of like; "Men land on Mars!"...sure, we are sort of poised to do that one day, but will it ever happen?  And should we wiki about it until it does just because WP:ILIKEIT? Яεñ99 (talk) 12:04, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Please assume good faith and do not ascribe keep !votes to WP:ILIKEIT. Thank you. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:52, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.