Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2014 East Ukraine crisis


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The result was delete, WP:SNOW--Ymblanter (talk) 19:49, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

2014 East Ukraine crisis

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This article is a fork created for no reason whatsoever. We have the long-standing articles 2014 pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine and Timeline of the 2014 pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine, which already serve to cover this topic. What's more, this title doesn't describe the scope of the events, since it does not include Southern Ukraine (such as the protests in Odessa). There is also an article dealing with Donetsk, Donetsk People's Republic, which has an ongoing discussion about re-purposing that article to deal broadly with the crisis in Donetsk Oblast. Regardless, this article was created prematurely, without discussion, and is just another example of the wild forking that's been going on since the start of the crisis in Ukraine. RGloucester — ☎ 13:56, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete and rename the main article "East Ukraine crisis" instead. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 14:14, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
 * We can't. It includes protests in Odessa, which is not in 'East Ukraine'. I'd also like to mention that the usual form is 'Eastern Ukraine'. RGloucester  — ☎ 14:16, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
 * True and you have a good point there. It's just that i think the name "2014 pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine" is very generic and far from being encyclopedic. However, that's just my opinion and i agree this one should be deleted because it's an obvious fork. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 14:20, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The main article can't be renamed to East Ukraine crisis cause it is about all the 2014 pro-Russian protests in Ukraine. —Moscow Connection (talk) 14:20, 15 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia favours 'generic' names in order to adhere to WP:NPOV. RGloucester  — ☎ 14:24, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
 * But we should also go by WP:COMMONNAME, which appears to be "separatism" not "unrest". Perhaps 2014 Ukrainian separatist crisis? Anyway, i'd be glad to discuss it in the article's talk page instead, not here. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 15:06, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
 * There is a section called 'Title redux' on the talk page, feel free to comment there. RGloucester  — ☎ 15:07, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Reuters also: "The uprising in eastern Ukraine began eight days ago but has accelerated sharply in the past 48 hours, with separatists seizing ever more buildings, including arsenals filled with weapons. They have met little opposition". ("Six days ago" is April 6.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 14:20, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep BBC treats it as a separate event and has a separate live section for this: "As it happened: East Ukraine crisis"
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 * WP:NOTNEWS. We don't structure our coverage as a news organisation does. This article has no content independent of the content at that article, which covers it better and has existed for much longer. The title is bombastic and generic, as if you are referring to the specific events in Eastern Ukraine at this very moment, the present title '2014 Eastern Ukraine crisis' is much too generic, as there have been similar events going on for at least the past month. Anyway, events in Donetsk Oblast are covered by Donetsk People's Republic, which is being proposed to be renamed 2014 Donetsk crisis to deal with the current situation, which is not happening in Kharkiv or Luhansk. RGloucester  — ☎ 14:24, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
 * 1. BBC and Reuters treat this as a separate event which started when armed men seized official buildings in Donetsk and Lugansk in April 2014. The events in Donetsk can't be considered separately from the events in Lugansk, so a "2014 Donetsk crisis" doesn't exist. —Moscow Connection (talk) 14:33, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
 * We don't base our coverage on the way news reporting structures its coverage, because we are WP:NOTNEWS. Furthermore, there are no events in Luhansk other than protests, and they only appear to be in Luhansk city, not in the rest of the oblast. RGloucester  — ☎ 14:50, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
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 * There's a Ukrainian article now. I believe they know what they are doing. --Moscow Connection (talk) 19:25, 15 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete. Not to mention this name is POV, as there is no such "East Ukraine" entity, only someone's wishful thinking. EastERN Ukraine would be much much better, but regardless, I agree with Rgloucester that it is a duplicate of the other article. Anyways, events occurring in Odessa as stated above are not part of Eastern Ukraine, hence this article is useless. § DDima 21:16, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The name "East Ukraine crisis" is used by BBC: . It doesn't seem to be POV to me. (But if "eastern" is better, then why not rename it?) Also, it's not a fork of any article cause 1. it is about a separate event, just like the 2014 Crimean crisis and 2. Donetsk People's Republic is about the republic. I suspect the proposal to rename the page about the Donetsk People's Republic into "something Donetsk crisis" is simply an attempt to delete the page that people couldn't delete in a straightforward deletion request. --Moscow Connection (talk) 21:36, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. Article is Content forking of articles 2014 pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine and Timeline of the 2014 pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine. —  Yulia Romero  • Talk to me!  22:23, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete Obvious content fork Nick-D (talk) 00:55, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom's rationale.Volunteer Marek (talk) 18:35, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:FORK.--Andrux (talk) 19:30, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:FORK. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 02:44, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment. There are so many separate articles about the situation in Ukraine developing in just months, that I can't follow them any longer. Deleting a single fork seems sensible but a brand new "Index of Ukrainian crisis-related articles with Chronology" could also help the unsuspecting reader. Poeticbent talk 17:47, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete: article already exists documenting the crisis and a timeline article also already exists, this is like a cheap imitation. --Львівське (говорити) 19:08, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
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